What is the problem with ports PR reaction delays?

Big Lebowski spankthespam at gmail.com
Sat Jan 25 00:03:10 UTC 2014

On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 12:41 AM, John Marino <freebsd.contact at marino.st>wrote:

> On 1/25/2014 00:30, Big Lebowski wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I wanted to ask about the growing time of reaction to ports PR's - what
> is
> > the problem? It seems to me, as a ports contributor, that this time is
> only
> > growing, not shrinking, and there's no formal/automated procedures that
> > would help in managing the issue.
> >
> > What is the problem?
> Seriously?  You did all that research and didn't notice this?
> query all open ports PRS: 1705 problems total.
> Short answer: Sheer number of PRs.

I did, in fact, and this is not the problem, this is the symptom of the

> > Isnt there enought commiters?
> Well, at least there are more PRs than people closing PRs.  Not all
> committers deal with PRs.  Getting a commit bit does not obligate you to
> process PRs.  If there's a PR already on a port a committer has interest
> in fixing, then he/she will probably process the PR while they are there.
> >  Isnt there a automated
> > PR handling procedure reminding commiters with relevant access about such
> > submissions? Can we help? I hope to spark some discussion.
> Of course there is.  People get reminded about assigned PRs constantly.
>  You think a computer message will make somebody work faster if they
> didn't forget about it (iow they are aware and actively decided not to
> deal with it yet).
> I would have thought the situation is kind of obvious.  There are lots
> of PRs, nobody is paid to process them, there are no teams dedicated to
> "new ports"

Perhaps there could be? Or some commiters who would assess if the PR can be
handled easily or it needs a more experienced eye to look at it?

> , lots of PRs are stuck because their non-freebsd.org
> maintainers are MIA or abandoned their emails and nobody is going to

Shouldnt those be invalidated and closed to reduce the workload illusion
that tends to set off people from doing work?

> touch a PR in "feedback", etc, etc.  Finally, some committers are pretty
> sloppy at closing complete/obsolete PRs.
> When people get paid to do it, I think the situation will improve. :)

Great, then perhaps FreeBSD deserves dedicated, paid commiter to handle
that situation? After all, we're donating money to the project, and if
there's general consensus this is a problem that needs to be fixed and this
is the only way to do it, then perhaps something can be done about it?

> John
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