What is the problem with ports PR reaction delays?

Big Lebowski spankthespam at gmail.com
Fri Jan 24 23:58:18 UTC 2014

On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 12:45 AM, Aryeh Friedman
<aryeh.friedman at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 6:30 PM, Big Lebowski <spankthespam at gmail.com>wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>> I wanted to ask about the growing time of reaction to ports PR's - what is
>> the problem? It seems to me, as a ports contributor, that this time is
>> only
>> growing, not shrinking, and there's no formal/automated procedures that
>> would help in managing the issue.
>> Today I found myself fighting with ezjail only to discover it has issues
>> working on FreeBSD 10.0-R. Great, I thought, there must be something else,
>> so I went to make the research. It appears there isnt much more, and the
>> alternatives are qjail that seems to be quite dated and zjails, that's not
>> in ports. Not long after looking into zjails, what seems to be a great
>> tool, I found its port submission sits there since... September 2013. Now,
>> given the fact the Docker is on mouth of everyone, and containers are
>> getting a lot of attention, FreeBSD looks really bad with no tools to
>> manage such great technology like Jails, especially when ezjail,
>> unofficial
>> industry standard to manage jails, is now broken and zjails waits to be
>> accepted (or even rejected) for so much time.
> Why not test on a VM instead of a jail it seems this is a even more
> accurate test because you can run bare metal installs (I have run to some
> ports [including some of my own]) that worked with jail/tinderbox but
> failed a full bare metal install.   Take a look at -virtualization@ for
> ideas, the proposed handbook entry on virtualization (
> http://www.petitecloud.org) or just use a front end like petitecloud (yes
> yet an other port waiting for comitting [one this one there are some bugs
> though])
> What is the problem? Isnt there enought commiters? Isnt there a automated
>> PR handling procedure reminding commiters with relevant access about such
>> submissions? Can we help? I hope to spark some discussion.
> I have made a couple of scripts for automated this for specific ports but
> not for all (the VM test method)... if you want I can post them (they are
> high;y specific to installing the petitecloud port though)

> --
> Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org

I think you've got me wrong - I am following freebsd-virtualization list
very closely, and the matter I've touched here is not my doubt on which
technology I should use, but rather a complaint on the state of jails
related tools directly leading to the delays in handling of ports related
PR's. I know the technology alternatives, I am decided to jails for a
reason, and I also know your work on the web interface focusing on bhyve,
but its not about it.


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