www/opera ISSUE Java Plugin missing

[Joseph A. Nagy, Jr]

On 01/18/13 05:55, Jakub Lach wrote:
> You are missing my point. Opera couldn't just outright
> stop 'supporting' Java plug-ins (more like Java content,
> believe it or not, but using plug-in or JRE is secondary
> here), but they are not ones responsible for this
> environment deployment.

No, I don't think I did miss your point. The Opera developers didn't, 
from the OP, they switched from JRE to plug-ins. The Opera developers 
can be the only ones because they are the only ones developing Opera. 
Certainly Oracle isn't forcing anyone to use the plug-in  over the 
run-time environment.

> I know FreeBSD as a project should document to the
> it's best ability all possible use cases one could be
> forced into (including using Java plug-in).
>
> I think it does good job mostly.

I think they do an excellent job.

> <rant>
>
> That doesn't stop me from a little rant on the side,
> though...
>
> And hopefully it goes my way:
>
> http://w3techs.com/technologies/details/cp-javaruntime/all/all
>
> But that doesn't stop people from installing plug-in
> en masse, which starts to defy reason:
>
> http://www.statowl.com/plugin_overview.php
>
> <rant/>

To be honest, I'm not interested in plug-in-vs.-run-time-environment 
arguments. Having been knee-deep in the browser wars and having 
advocated Linux (and more recently, FreeBSD) over any other operating 
system, I just couldn't give a rip about any such arguments over 
anything else (including OS and browser preference) anymore. I'm more in 
the "best tool for the job, with a favoring of copyfree licensing over 
any other all else being equal" camp now-a-days. If something stops 
supporting something I felt critical, if there is a better (or 
technically equal but better licensed) alternative, I'll just switch to 
it. It just happens to be the OP wanted Jave RE for Opera instead of the 
plug-in model and may have found a hackity-hack way of doing so despite 
the Opera people moving to the plug-in model. Given your view of 
plugins, if you don't want to extend the functionality of your browser 
through them, that's fine. You may even have a point about their awful 
security. I have no such concerns. Not because I have no concerns about 
security, but because I take other steps to mitigate my exposure to 
malicious web sites.

Also, I'm partially insulted by your logic that somehow installing a 
plug-in of any sort "defies reason." There are many reasons people will 
install the Java plugin. I happen to want to be able to play Runescape 
(a very popular browser-based MMO). That and the fact some other 
websites (like, last time I visited, the Small Business Administration 
website along with a few others) do use Java, I would like to be able to 
view them (it's the same reason I use Flash, not because I like it, but 
because it's necessary for my being able to visit various websites).

-- 
Yours in Christ,

Joseph A Nagy Jr
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