If ports@ list continues to be used as substitute for GNATS, I'm unsubscribing

clutton clutton at zoho.com
Fri Dec 20 12:54:22 UTC 2013


On Thu, 2013-12-19 at 11:13 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 01:44:57AM -0800, Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
> > >
> > >From: "Thomas Mueller"
> > >
> > >There are many messages on this thread, and I don't know which or
> > >what to quote, but I agree on send-pr being user-unfriendly.
> > 
> > I disagree.
> > I use only send-pr to send PRs.
> > I use sendmail.
> 
> I disagree with you.  For new users, send-pr is a fucking usability
> train wreck, and insufficiently well documented.  Sendmail is legendary
> for its obtuse configuration.  I suppose you should be proud of the fact
> you find these tools easy to use, but that does not mean you should
> dismiss others' concerns over how difficult some people find them.  The
> fact many people find these tools very difficult to use is in fact kind
> of a big problem, and I'm glad something is being done about it with
> regard to the bugzilla system.  I wouldn't have chosen bugzilla if it
> was up to me, but it's not up to me and it's sure to be a huge
> improvement over the system currently in place, so I'm grateful for the
> work being done.  Hopefully the command line send-pr tool will also be
> replaced with something that actually provides a low-friction way for
> people with problem reports to contribute to the FreeBSD project.
> 
> In conclusion, I agree with Thomas (though I much prefer fdm over mpop,
> personally), and believe that send-pr (or its replacement, whenever that
> happens) desperately needs some better documentation.  I rather suspect
> that a lot of people with problems to report simply give up and leave us
> with no clue there's anything wrong.
> 

+1
People wouldn't read the «Porters Handbook» because they want to make a
bug report. Category and Class are far away from obvious.

Handbook said that the FreeBSD consists from src, ports, and docs.
The send-pr Category dropbox contains ports, bin, java, ia64, etc. It's
insane to put everything here.




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