pkgng 1.0 release schedule, and HEAD switch to pkgng by default schedule

Baptiste Daroussin bapt at
Wed Aug 22 18:13:43 UTC 2012

On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 10:52:43AM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 7:09 AM, Warner Losh <imp at> wrote:
> >
> > On Aug 21, 2012, at 7:58 PM, Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 21 Aug 2012, Doug Barton wrote:
> >>
> >>> I don't think we have ever done a complete replacement of major
> >>> infrastructure in one release.
> >>
> >> You mean like sysinstall can be used as an installer on 9 that would
> >> do something meaningful with the current infrastructure we provide?
> >
> > You understood my oblique sysinstall reference...  The 'can't do it in one release' is a red herring.  The current package system is by no means as good as sysinstall was before it was replaced.  The new one is much better and deserves a shot of 'replace in one' if it proves to be ready.  Anything contrary to that is just obstructionism.
> I don't agree. I know that I am not the only one who uses the pkgdb in
> internal scripts. While getting rid of pkg_* will be a wonderful thing
> and, for most of the systems I deal with the switch will happen very
> soon, a couple will need major re-working to replace the use of the
> pkgdb. Since these are systems that I usually run either the latest
> STABLE (RELENG_9 at this time) or CURRENT, this would prevent moving
> to CURRENT or 10-STABLE if I can't do so and still have the option of
> sticking with the old system for a while. This is especially true for
> 1.0, until things like adding SVN revision and (hopefully) options to
> the DB to make working with a combination of packages and ports
> reasonable. I can't imagine EVER getting away from building some
> things from source using ports at any time.
> Yes, I understand that getting rid of pkg_ will allow things to be
> done that will be difficult (impossible?) to retrofit into pkg_*, but
> this is a HUGE change for most admins, much bigger than the sysinstall
> change as it will mostly impact on systems currently running FreeBSD
> where sysinstall did not.
> Please, please be very careful about pulling the life support plug on pkg_*.
> -- 
> R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer
> E-mail: kob6558 at
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That is the reason why I updated today the pkg_install ports so that people will
be able to keep an up to date pkg_* tools for the time the ports tree will
support it, (meaning at least EOL of 9.1 and EOL of 8.3)

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