[HEADS UP] GNU make 3.82

Doug Barton dougb at FreeBSD.org
Sat Mar 12 05:14:51 UTC 2011

On 03/10/2011 21:05, Mark Linimon wrote:
> I answered this question last night on IRC, aDe answered it in email:
>> What is the urgency in upgrading gmake that prevents "fix the broken
>> ports first" as an option to at least explore?
> Now that gmake is out, if the past is any indication, some project
> will quickly upgrade to it.  We can wait for that to happen, and then
> have to scramble, or we can get ahead of the curve.

I can see why that would make it an important problem, but I don't see 
why that makes the problem so urgent that sharing it with the community 
and asking them for suggestions can't be done first; especially 
considering that there is at least one workable plan in the wings if no 
one comes up with something better.

> Not every single change to the Ports Collection rises to the level of
> requiring a committee meeting to generate a consensus.  IMHO this does
> not.

It's really, really frustrating to me when I spend time trying to make 
myself clear and you consistently mischaracterize it. I can't tell if 
you're doing it on purpose, I'm failing to communicate, or something 
else is going on. But just to be clear, I'm not talking about making a 
committee decision. I'm talking about making the information about the 
problem available to the community.

> In this case it was "here is someone willing to do the work, here's
> an action plan, let's just do it."

And while that sounds noble and all, it's the wrong road to go down. 
There are way too many things happening "in private" around here and the 
only way to solve that problem is to open the doors.

Meanwhile, while I appreciate you answering one of my questions, but you 
still haven't answered arguably the more important one.

What harm will come from publicizing this problem and asking for help 
from the community?

On 03/10/2011 21:25, Ade Lovett wrote:

 > How about working from the basis that perhaps, just perhaps, I'm
 > _right_, and show me why _I_ am wrong.

I can't help thinking that the fact that when I say, "Let's ask the 
community for input on this topic" you _hear_ me saying, "You're wrong" 
is part of the problem.



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