how to bootstrap libtool?

Michael Scheidell michael.scheidell at
Wed Feb 9 22:57:33 UTC 2011

Not sure you can blame clsung

Michael Scheidell
CTO SECNAP Network Security

-----Original message-----
From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu <itetcu at>
To: Chuck Swiger <cswiger at>
Cc: Michael Scheidell <michael.scheidell at>, "freebsd-ports at" <freebsd-ports at>, "clsung at" <clsung at>
Sent: Wed, Feb 9, 2011 22:30:12 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: how to bootstrap libtool?

On Wed, 09 Feb 2011 11:40:18 -0800
Chuck Swiger <cswiger at> wrote:

> On Feb 9, 2011, at 11:14 AM, Michael Scheidell wrote:
> >> The problem with != is that is is evaluated in a subshell
> >> regardless of whether the results are needed, and it happens while
> >> the Makefile is first being read, before it tries to figure out
> >> which targets need to be processed.

Hence this adds a lot of time for each processing, like make index.

> >> This is why setting libnet in
> >> BUILD_DEPENDS isn't being processed until after these commands are
> >> run (or fail to run, as above).
> >
> > which is useless information to me.  don't know why, been doing
> > freebsd for 10 years, been a port maintainer for.. ? 4? 5? don't
> > remember.
> >
> > still that is useless information, and doesn't make any sense.
> >
> > doesn't tell me what,why, how, or when to replace what lines with
> > what alternatives.
> >
> > yes, I can hard code it, but I don't really understand what those
> > (inherited lines) actually do.
> OK.  If you don't understand make, and you aren't willing to look at
> the documentation, then it's hardly surprising that you're having
> problems figuring things out.
> Engineers solve problems.  Managers create problems.
> Senior management exists to decide *which* problems management ought
> to create.
> (In this particular case, it seems like you ought to delegate the
> problem to an engineer who has the knowledge to solve it.  If I get
> some free time, I'll see what I can do, otherwise someone else might
> volunteer....)

I hope the one that committed the last Makefile version (CC'ed) will
have the time to help.

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