autoconf update

Ion-Mihai Tetcu itetcu at
Sat Sep 18 11:14:26 UTC 2010

On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 08:12:02 +0200
Dominic Fandrey <kamikaze at> wrote:

> On 17/09/2010 06:41, Doug Barton wrote:
> > On 9/16/2010 6:15 PM, Doug Barton wrote:
> >> On 9/16/2010 3:35 PM, Anonymous wrote:
> >>> Dominic Fandrey<kamikaze at> writes:
> >>>
> >>>> On 16/09/2010 19:17, Dmitry Marakasov wrote:
> >>>>> * Dominic Fandrey (kamikaze at wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Just out of curiosity, why a version bump because of a build
> >>>>>> dependency?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't think an autoconf update should have an effect on any
> >>>>>> /running/ software but build systems. And I don't see how
> >>>>>> rebuilding all the software improves it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This is not a criticism - I just think there is something I
> >>>>>> don't understand and that worries me.
> >>>
> >>> My guess is to uncover *early* build failures that exp-run didn't
> >>> catch.
> >>
> >> We shouldn't use our users to beta-test infrastructure changes.
> > 
> > Sorry, I'm not feeling well atm and realize that I didn't write
> > what I was thinking here. What I intended to say was that we _don't_
> > intentionally use the ports system to force our users to beta test
> > changes. I think it goes without saying that we _shouldn't_ do this,
> > although I think that changes like this are a platinum-coated
> > example of why we need to have -stable and -dev branches for ports.
> I used to disagree with this, because I thought it would create
> additional work load. 

Indeed. And the increase it's not linear.

> I have come to think more favourably of the idea, because you can
> make more daring commits on a -dev branch and don't have to quick-fix
> everything that goes wrong.

Oh? (Not that I think fixes are being done that quick right now.)
You need to do it fast, except for tip ports, because ports depend one
on an other.

> Also the time between a MFC does not have to be very long. A week
> should be more than enough time to uncover and solve all problems.
> So the delay to get updates and fixes on the -stable branch is not
> very long.

So you'd need a large userbase running -dev ports and updating very

My2c: let's concentrate on pkg_install for now.

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