mtools vs X11 (Re: FreeBSD Port: syslinux-3.72)
1cynthia2flynn3 at telus.net
Fri Mar 20 14:24:29 PDT 2009
Steven Kreuzer wrote:
> On Mar 19, 2009, at 4:06 AM, perryh at pluto.rain.com wrote:
>> Gary Jennejohn <gary.jennejohn at freenet.de> wrote:
>>> Luigi Rizzo <rizzo at iet.unipi.it> wrote:
>>>> ... Cynthia Flynn wrote:
>>> [snip - syslinux pulls in too much X11 stuff]
>>>> I think the extra dependencies that you find listed for syslinux:
>>>> come directly from mtools ...
>>> Yeah. It looks like mtools uses X11 by default, which IMHO is
>>> incorrect. Instead it should have an option to turn X11 _on_,
>>> rather than one for turning it _off_, as it currently does.
>> IMO it is a POLA violation for mtools to depend on X11 *at all*.
>> Instead of having an option, maybe the port should be split so that
>> mtools itself just provides the code to access FAT filesystems, and
>> (say) mtools-gui does the fancy display stuff.
> mtools already supports WITHOUT_X11 so if you don't want the GUI stuff,
> you can build the port
> without it. Personally, I think it makes more sense for mtools to be the
> full and complete representation
> of the actual program.
Can someone confirm for me that a normal port install of mtools brings
up a configuration menu in which the WITHOUT_X11 option can be set? I do
not remember seeing any such thing, but it has probably been 6 months
since I last tried it.
I would never have guessed mtools was a GUI application. I've only ever
heard of and seen mtools being used as a command line tool set and
therefore had the expectation that its port would be available to
FreeBSD server operators in a fashion that makes sense for non-GUI
users. Perhaps I am not as typical a user as I thought, and you folks
certainly aren't obligated to address the requirements of niche users,
but if the setting of WITHOUT_X11 is not clearly presented for setting
during a normal port install then I would humbly suggest that for all
practical purposes it doesn't exist for most users.
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