Out of curiosity, should Konsole make a utmp entry? xterm makes one, but KDE3.1's Konsole doesn't. I'm wondering which is correct? This is on 5.1-CURRENT with a fairly current ports tree/portupgrade. Thanks, LER -- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler Phone: +1 972-414-9812 E-Mail: ler at lerctr.org US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749