this is probably a little touchy to ask...

[Nicklas Johnson]

This has turned into, without a doubt, the most retarded thread I've read in
eons.

A word to the wise: starting holy wars over languages, operating systems,
browsers, window managers, editors, shells, or mail readers among a large
list of geeks is a waste of everyone's time.

If you do it, you are already a troll and you deserve to be banished to the
wasteland for being such a killer of what productivity might have otherwise
occurred had you not done something so foolish and pointless.

If you think that "there can be only one" language, operating system,
browser, window manager, editor, shell, or mail reader, I declare that you
are an idiot.  There's a reason we have so many choices in languages,
operating systems, browsers, window managers, editors, shells and mail
readers, just as there's a reason we have so many choices in cars,
motorcycles, shoes, underwear, furniture, toilet paper, and cake.  Different
things are appropriate for different situations and different people.

If you see things in such simplistic terms that one thing is always "good"
and another thing is always "bad", you are a simpleton.  You have abdicated
rational, methodical thought and replaced it with religious dogma, and you
might as well be a chimpanzee or crow for all the thinking you're doing.

Please, for the love of all that is human and judicious, stop being so
ridiculous.  There are reasons people use Java.  There are reasons people
don't use Java.  Who cares?  Use it if it's appropriate to your
circumstances.  Don't if it's not.  Make a decision based on the facts and
circumstances with which you're presented, not on religious dogma from loud,
fundamentalist blowhards.

   Nick

On 10 September 2010 18:23, Randal L. Schwartz <merlyn at stonehenge.com>wrote:

> >>>>> "Jason" == Jason C Wells <jcw at speakeasy.net> writes:
>
> Jason> On 09/10/10 07:29, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
> >>
> >> I repeat... Java had its day.  Time to move on.
> >>
> >>
> Jason> Java is not just for browsers.
>
> Indeed.  And I still stand by my statement.
>
> Java makes everyone equally incompetent, which is why managers like it.
> It helps the beginner, hurts the advanced.  Managers can swap
> programmers in and out strictly on head count, not on experience.
>
> Friends don't let friends make greenstarts with Java.
>
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