When will the FreeBSD (u)EFI work?

Warner Losh imp at bsdimp.com
Mon Mar 30 03:28:19 UTC 2020

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 9:24 PM Kyle Evans <kevans at freebsd.org> wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 10:16 PM Rebecca Cran <rebecca at bsdio.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > On Mar 29, 2020, at 9:11 PM, Nathan Whitehorn <nwhitehorn at freebsd.org>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > The problem then is that we have treated loader as a
> > > continuously-updatable part of the OS, like the kernel, and the update
> > > system and development process assumes they get updated in sync.
> >
> > But at the moment how often do users mount the ESP and update loader.efi
> on it? So it seems it rarely _needs_ to be updated at the moment.
> >
> The interpreter developer in me wants this to be more frequent than it
> probably is. =-) Right now, we have to plan on optionally supporting
> any new features that we end up adding to the interpreter itself (e.g.
> lua C modules). I can think of one at the moment that will be joining
> us in the coming months -- while a bad example because this particular
> module will only be presented if the system supports it, it'd be nice
> to not have to have optional shims for old loaders for years on end.

Yes. This is why we need to bite the bullet, update the docs, etc and come
up with a firm plan for this like we did for gcc removal. It's lingered
about 3 years too long at this point (much of it my fault for not wanting
to push the issue and upset the apple cart, but that complacency has done
the project no favors).


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