junior kernel tasks

[Hunter Satterwhite]

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On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 11:55 AM, John Baldwin <jhb at freebsd.org> wrote:

> On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 7:07:31 pm Eitan Adler wrote:
> > On 28 October 2014 15:14, Baptiste Daroussin <bapt at freebsd.org> wrote:
> > > On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 09:35:26PM +0100, Marcus von Appen wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Quoting John Baldwin <jhb at freebsd.org>:
> > >>
> > >> > On Saturday, October 25, 2014 4:45:36 pm Mateusz Guzik wrote:
> > >> >> Hello,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> In short, nice kernel tasks people with C language skills can do
> in few
> > >> >> evenings.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> https://wiki.freebsd.org/JuniorJobs
> > >> >>
> > >> >> It is assumed you know how to obtain sources and build the kernel.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> What you can get in return:
> > >> >> - your own code in FreeBSD tree
> > >> >> - eternal glory [1]
> > >> >> - fun [2]
> > >> >>
> > >> >> If you are not interested, but know someone who does, please pass
> it
> > >> >> down.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> [1] - not really, no
> > >> >> [2] - well, I guess that's subjective, so that's not a "no"
> > >> >
> > >> > Even though our bugmeisters have decided that we should not have
> wishlist
> > >> > items in our bug tracker, I really wish we could store the various
> idea lists
> > >> > (we have several) in an issue tracker instead.  This would allow
> for folks to
> > >> > comment on ideas, vote for them, etc.  It would also make it easier
> for more
> > >> > people to submit new ideas.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> Speaking not strictly with the bugmeister hat, but from experience,
> please do
> > >> not let us go down the road of (ab)using a bug tracking solution as
> task and
> > >> idea management system. I think that using the tasks feature of
> phabricator
> > >> (our reviews instance) would provide better workflow support for
> those things,
> > >> starting out from sketching out rough ideas, discussing them,
> breaking them up
> > >> in seperate tasks (linked to and dependent on each other) and
> collaborating
> > >> on them (take a look at https://developer.blender.org/T42339 for a
> > >> brief example).
> > >>
> > >> Having said this, let's keep the bug tracker a bug tracker.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers
> > >> Marcus
> > >
> > > I disabled the tasks on phabricator to avoid having it a duplicate of
> bugzilla,
> > > but if we have a use for it I can activate it!
> > >
> > > Actually I do like the idea of the bug tracker aka bugzilla being only
> for bugs
> > > and uxe phabricator for tracking the tasks
> >
> > having disparate trackers for "wishlist" and "bugs" is quite harmful
> > and splits the conversations.  It makes people learn multiple systems
> > and search multiple places - especially if the feature ends up being
> > submitted as a patch to the bug tracker.
> >
> > I'd rather keep wishlist items in the bug tracker than split them into
> two.
> >
> > (also, fwiw, I'd rather keep the tasks number space clean should we
> > ever decide to import from bugzilla -> phabricator)
>
> I'm not tied to a specific issue tracker to use for this and am happy to
> other
> folks debate which implementation is best, but what I would prefer is a
> system
> to let us manage "ideas to implement" like the ideas page for GSoC and this
> wiki page.  The desired output is a list of vetted tasks.  A task might
> start
> out as a wishlist entry, but someone has to step up and say "yes, this is
> a good
> idea and I will review it / shepherd it, etc." for it to become a "vetted
> task".
> Being able to store conversation about each task and tag it with other meta
> data (e.g. tagging the person who "owns" the task and will do the review /
> sheperding as well as being able to categorize them, etc.)  However, I do
> think
> one important thing is that when a new idea is submitted, it has a built-in
> sunset.  If no one grabs it after time X it becomes closed instead of
> remaining
> an open wishlist forever.  Similarly if the "owner" of a task drops
> ownership,
> the timer would start while waiting for a new owner.  However, this does
> feel
> very much like an issue tracker.
>
> --
> John Baldwin
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Hunter Satterwhite
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