FreeBSD's problems as seen by the community

Aryeh M. Friedman aryeh.friedman at
Thu Jan 10 05:58:33 PST 2008

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Wilko Bulte wrote:
> Quoting Aryeh M. Friedman, who wrote on Thu, Jan 10, 2008 at
> 08:00:53AM -0500 ..
>> Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
>>> In message <4786058F.8080101 at>, "Aryeh M. Friedman"
>>> writes:
>>>>> We need more licenses like we need a 3rd or 4th leg.  What
>>>>> is wrong with the standard BSD license please?
>>>> I decided to elaborate slightly on the previous reply....
>>> I am fully with Wilko here.
>>> We don't need to change the license or use any other means to
>>> beat our users over the head.
>>> We need them to understand the problem, and act as intelligent
>>> human beings.
>>> A lot of our users do this.  We have many crucial FreeBSD
>>> developers employed at companies which understand that
>>> developer support is key to FreeBSDs future.
>>> We just need more of that.
>> We also need to have better avenues for people who want to
>> contribute but do not have the economic means to subsidize there
>> work from some large company, gov. agency and/or university...
>> i.e. there is no room for independent people to contribute on a
>> full time basis...
>> As I said in an other message this is not about saying the
>> current has anything wrong with it, just that it can be improved.
>> Volunteer efforts are great and I fully support them (such as my
>> work on ports 2.0) but the larger they grow the harder it gets to
>> do it all volunteer (every large non-profit has paid full-time
>> employees after all)... to paraphrase an other organization I am
>> involved in we should "be completely self supporting through our
>> own ....contributions"... this includes more then just service it
>> includes supporting those who do such service...
>> BTW as to the single sentence that would recitify this in the bsd
>>  license it would be something as simple as:
>> "Execution of covered work in any form may be conditioned to
>> payment fees (if any) and/or performing work in kind detailed at
>> http://......".
> As far as I'm concerned: if a license like that comes to core for a
> vote I would vote "No".
> This thread seems to move from the concerns our German friends have
> into a licensing debate.  I feel it would be better if we could get
> back on track here.
I would argue they are one in the same because the core cause of their
issues is the lack of reward for doing unpleasent work which is not
covered sufficently well in the current model.

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Aryeh M. Friedman
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