i may have a hint. i left myself on the craft port. there was just a stutter. at that time, console logged May 15 11:02:07 work0 kernel: ipfw: 300 Deny TCP 127.0.0.1:0 0.0.0.0:0 out via em0 May 15 11:04:00 work0 kernel: ipfw: 300 Deny TCP 127.0.0.1:0 0.0.0.0:0 out via em0 i do not promise it is related. randy