[PATCH] Fancy rc startup (revisited)

Mike Makonnen mtm at FreeBSD.Org
Mon May 14 10:40:14 UTC 2007

On Sat, May 12, 2007 at 08:53:05PM +0100, Robert Watson wrote:
> On Sat, 12 May 2007, Kian Mohageri wrote:
> >On 5/11/07, Eric Anderson <anderson at freebsd.org> wrote:
> >
> >>Amazing - so far the patch has been downloaded by over 40 different 
> >>systems, but the *screenshots* have been viewed by over 500.  Wow.  I 
> >>never would have guessed.
> >>
> >>Still no complaints/comments/etc.  Good I suppose..
> >
> >I don't mean to be the Debbie Downer of the list, but I'm not crazy about 
> >the addition just because I like simplicity.  I know it's off by default 
> >and all, but it reminds me a whole lot of linux startup (Gentoo, 
> >specifically, but I dont
> >
> >remember where this originated) and I'm more fond of FBSD's as it looks 
> >more
> >
> >professional.
> >
> >Obviously that's just my 2cents though and I'm not a developer, so you 
> >won't see me complain if it does get committed :)  Just thought I'd 
> >comment since you were looking for feedback.
> Call me old-fashioned, but I actually preferred the much more abbreviated 
> rc output from before rc.d even. :-)  We're not going back to hardware 
> devices where all the probed devices add up to fewer than 25 lines, I'm 
> sure, but when daemons generated 8-12 characters without a carriage return 
> each, there was a good chance you could still see the end of the kernel 
> messages by the time you got to login:, and I miss that.  I don't object to 
> optional more complex output as long as that complexity is hidden away 
> neatly somewhere in rc.subr, and isn't on by default as shipped.  I'd love 
> it if someone could restore the even shorter output we had before.

I think this patch should be implemented in a more generic way so the
user can decide what kind of output he/she wants. Maybe something along
the lines of a top-level 'rc_outputs' with a list of output types, then
each type would have its own knobs to control how it operates. From reading
the rest of this thread I think we already have 3 candidates: quiet,
normal, fancy.

I'd be willing to work with anyone willing to work on this.

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