Hello! I'm reading in http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.3R/schedule.html that the debugging for RELENG_5 is off since September 7th. However, the src/lib/libc_r/Makefile and some other makefiles still have things like: CFLAGS+=-D_LOCK_DEBUG CFLAGS+=-D_PTHREADS_INVARIANTS should not these be disabled too? Thanks! -mi