5.3-RELEASE TODO
Scott Long
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Fri Sep 10 00:40:45 PDT 2004
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Show stopper defects for 5.3-RELEASE
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Issue | Status | Responsible | Description |
|--------------------+-------------+-------------+-----------------------|
| | | | PREEMPTION appears to |
| | | | increase the chances |
| | | | of triggering a race |
| | | | condition in the |
| | | | thread context |
| PREEMPTION-related | | Scott Long, | management and |
| hangs involving | In progress | Julian | scheduling code. |
| threads | | Elischer | Patches to mitigate |
| | | | the problem have been |
| | | | developed, with |
| | | | on-going work to come |
| | | | up with the correct |
| | | | solution prior to |
| | | | 5.3. |
|--------------------+-------------+-------------+-----------------------|
| | | | Jun Kuriyama has |
| | | | reported problems |
| | | | with NFS over IPv6 |
| | | | not functioning |
| | | | correctly as of the |
| | | | improved NFS support |
| | | | for disconnection |
| NFS over IPv6 | | | changes. Doug White |
| problems | In progress | Doug White | has tracked down the |
| | | | source of the problem |
| | | | (EMSGSIZE being |
| | | | returned by IPv6 UDP |
| | | | send routine due to |
| | | | fragmentation), and |
| | | | is currently |
| | | | exploring possible |
| | | | fixes. |
|--------------------+-------------+-------------+-----------------------|
| | | | There are reports of |
| | | | applications wedging |
| | | | in poll() and |
| | | | select() while |
| | | | running the network |
| | | | stack without the |
| | | | Giant lock. A recent |
| | | | sleepq change appears |
| | | | to have caused some |
| poll()/select() | | | of the observed |
| application wedge | | Robert | problems to go away |
| reports with | In progress | Watson | (others are difficult |
| debug.mpsafenet=1 | | | to test for due to |
| | | | recent SMP |
| | | | instability). |
| | | | uipc_socket.c:1.211 |
| | | | appears to correct |
| | | | this race in the CVS |
| | | | HEAD (6.x), but the |
| | | | fix is currently in a |
| | | | waiting period to be |
| | | | merged back to |
| | | | RELENG_5. |
|--------------------+-------------+-------------+-----------------------|
| | | | ether_input() calls |
| | | | random_harvest() on |
| | | | the mbuf after it has |
| | | | been handed off to |
| | | | ether_demux(), at |
| ether_input() may | | | which point it may |
| harvest entropy | In progress | Mark Murray | have been free()'d |
| from free()'d mbuf | | | back to the mbuf |
| | | | allocator. It also |
| | | | passes in a pointer |
| | | | to the mbuf itself, |
| | | | rather than ethernet |
| | | | frame header. |
|--------------------+-------------+-------------+-----------------------|
| | | | Kris Kennaway has |
| | | | reported problems |
| | | | with boot time |
| | | | panic's, mutex Giant |
| boot time panic | Not done | - | not owned at |
| | | | kern/vfs_subr.c:1365. |
| | | | See "Re: 5.3-RELEASE |
| | | | TODO" thread in |
| | | | -current at . |
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Required features for 5.3-RELEASE
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Issue | Status | Responsible | Description |
|-----------------+-------------+--------------+-------------------------|
| BIND9 import | In progress | Doug Barton | BIND9 must be imported |
| into 5-CURRENT | | | for 5.3-RELEASE. |
|-----------------+-------------+--------------+-------------------------|
| | | | Kernel bits |
| KSE support for | | | implemented, userland |
| sparc64 | -- | -- | not implemented. |
| | | | Required for |
| | | | 5.3-RELEASE. |
|-----------------+-------------+--------------+-------------------------|
| | | | With improved support |
| | | | for threading |
| | | | primitives, support is |
| | | David Xu, | now required to ease |
| GDB thread | In progress | Marcel | debugging of threaded |
| support | | Moolenaar | applications. Ideally, |
| | | | this support will work |
| | | | for both libthr and |
| | | | libkse threading |
| | | | models. |
|-----------------+-------------+--------------+-------------------------|
| | | | Currently, two |
| | | | schedulers are present: |
| | | | SCHED_ULE (default), an |
| | | | SMP-optimized scheduler |
| | | | created as part of |
| | | | SMPng, and SCHED_4BSD, |
| | | | an SMP-adapted version |
| | | | of the original 4BSD |
| | | | scheduler. They have |
| | | | quite different |
| | | | performance properties, |
| | | | with ULE providing |
| | | | strong interactivity |
| | | | characteristics, and |
| Scheduler | | | performing quite well |
| cleanup and | In progress | -- | in a number of |
| resolution | | | benchmarks, and 4BSD |
| | | | showing greater |
| | | | strength in IPC |
| | | | intensive user space |
| | | | benchmarks, such as |
| | | | databases. One of these |
| | | | schedulers must be the |
| | | | default for 5.3, and |
| | | | whichever one it is, it |
| | | | requires careful |
| | | | measurement, analysis, |
| | | | and optimization before |
| | | | the release in order to |
| | | | address its |
| | | | deficiencies. |
|-----------------+-------------+--------------+-------------------------|
| | | | There have been several |
| | | | reports that growfs(8) |
| | | | works improperly with |
| Reports of UFS2 | | | large disk sizes, and |
| "large disk" | In progress | Scott Long | other size-related nits |
| problems | | | in the current disk and |
| | | | label management tool |
| | | | set. These must be |
| | | | resolved for |
| | | | 5.3-RELEASE. |
|-----------------+-------------+--------------+-------------------------|
| | | | Synaptics updates to |
| Synaptics | | | the psm(4) driver have |
| touchpad | In progress | Philip Paeps | resulted in poor |
| problems | | | interactivity for taps |
| | | | and button press events |
| | | | for some users. |
|-----------------+-------------+--------------+-------------------------|
| | | | Entropy harvesting in |
| | | | the interrupt and |
| | | | incoming packet paths |
| | | | currently involves a |
| | | | large number of mutex |
| | | | operations. In order to |
| | | | improve performance, it |
| Entropy | | Robert | is desirable to reduce |
| harvesting | In progress | Watson, | the number of mutex |
| optimizations | | Mark Murray | operations |
| | | | substantially. Work is |
| | | | in progress to improve |
| | | | the harvesting code |
| | | | along these lines, but |
| | | | has not yet been |
| | | | properly measured, and |
| | | | therefore not yet |
| | | | merged to CVS. |
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Desired features for 5.3-RELEASE
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Issue | Status | Responsible | Description |
|------------------+-------------+----------------+----------------------|
| | | | Almost all process |
| | | | debugging tools have |
| | | | been updated to use |
| | | | non-procfs kernel |
| | | | primitives, with the |
| | | | exception of |
| | | | truss(1). As procfs |
| | | | is considered |
| | | | deprecated due to |
| | | | its inherent |
| | | | security risks, it |
| truss support | | | is highly desirable |
| for ptrace | -- | -- | to update truss to |
| | | | operate in a |
| | | | post-procfs world. |
| | | | Dag-Erling Smorgrav |
| | | | had prototype |
| | | | patches; |
| | | | Robert Drehmel is |
| | | | developing and |
| | | | testing patches now. |
| | | | Support for system |
| | | | call tracing has |
| | | | been added to |
| | | | ptrace(). |
|------------------+-------------+----------------+----------------------|
| | | | FAST_IPSEC currently |
| | | | cannot be used |
| | | | directly with the |
| | | | KAME IPv6 |
| | | | implementation, |
| | | | requiring an |
| | | | additional level of |
| | | | IP tunnel |
| | | | indirection to |
| | | | protect IPv6 packets |
| FAST_IPSEC and | | | when using hardware |
| KAME | Not done | -- | crypto acceleration. |
| compatibility | | | This issue must be |
| | | | resolved so that the |
| | | | two services may |
| | | | more easily be used |
| | | | together. Among |
| | | | other things, this |
| | | | will require a |
| | | | careful review of |
| | | | the handling of mbuf |
| | | | header copying and |
| | | | m_tag support in the |
| | | | KAME IPv6 code. |
|------------------+-------------+----------------+----------------------|
| | | | A process cannot be |
| | | | interrupted while |
| | | | waiting on a lock. |
| rpc.lockd(8) | | | Fixing this requires |
| stability | -- | -- | that the RPC code be |
| | | | taught how to deal |
| | | | with lock |
| | | | cancellation and |
| | | | interruption events. |
|------------------+-------------+----------------+----------------------|
| | | | Kernel modules are |
| | | | currently built |
| | | | independently from a |
| | | | kernel |
| | | | configuration, and |
| | | | independently from |
| | | | one another, |
| | | | resulting in |
| | | | substantially |
| | | | redundant |
| | | | compilation of |
| | | | objects, as well as |
| | | | the inability to |
| | | | easily manage |
| | | | compile-time options |
| Revised kld | | | for kernel objects |
| build | Not done | Peter Wemm | (such as MAC, PAE, |
| infrastructure | | | etc) that may |
| | | | require conditional |
| | | | compilation in the |
| | | | kernel modules. In |
| | | | order to improve |
| | | | build performance |
| | | | and better support |
| | | | options of this |
| | | | sort, the KLD build |
| | | | infrastructure needs |
| | | | to be revamped. |
| | | | Peter Wemm has done |
| | | | some initial |
| | | | prototyping, and |
| | | | should be contacted |
| | | | before starting on |
| | | | this work. |
|------------------+-------------+----------------+----------------------|
| | | | Apple's Darwin |
| | | | operating system has |
| | | | fairly extensive |
| Merge of Darwin | | | improvements to |
| msdosfs, other | Not done | -- | msdosfs and other |
| fixes | | | kernel services; |
| | | | these fixes must be |
| | | | reviewed and merged |
| | | | to the FreeBSD tree. |
|------------------+-------------+----------------+----------------------|
| | | | Truss appears to |
| | | | contain a race |
| | | | condition during the |
| | | | start-up of |
| | | | debugging, which can |
| | | | result in truss |
| | | | failing to attach to |
| | | | the process before |
| | | | it exits. The |
| | | | symptom is that |
| | | | truss reports that |
| | | | it cannot open the |
| | | | procfs node |
| | | | supporting the |
| | | | process being |
| | | | debugged. A bug also |
| Race conditions | Errata | Robert Drehmel | appears to exist |
| in truss | candidate | | where in truss will |
| | | | hang if execve() |
| | | | returns ENOENT. A |
| | | | further race appears |
| | | | to exist in which |
| | | | truss will return |
| | | | "PIOCWAIT: |
| | | | Input/output error" |
| | | | occasionally on |
| | | | startup. The fix for |
| | | | this sufficiently |
| | | | changes process |
| | | | execution handling |
| | | | that we will defer |
| | | | the fix to post-5.0 |
| | | | and consider this |
| | | | errata. |
|------------------+-------------+----------------+----------------------|
| | | | Truss appears to |
| | | | have another |
| | | | problem. It is |
| | | | repeatable by |
| | | | running "truss -f |
| More truss | Not done | -- | fsck -p /", |
| problems | | | suspending it with |
| | | | ^Z, and then killing |
| | | | truss. It will leave |
| | | | behind the fsck |
| | | | processes which will |
| | | | be unkillable. |
|------------------+-------------+----------------+----------------------|
| | | | Many systems |
| | | | supporting POSIX.1e |
| | | | ACLs permit a minor |
| | | | violation to that |
| | | | specification, in |
| | | | which the ACL_MASK |
| ACL_MASK | | | entry overrides the |
| override of | Not done | Robert Watson | umask, rather than |
| umask support in | | | being intersected |
| UFS | | | with it. The |
| | | | resulting semantics |
| | | | can be useful in |
| | | | group-oriented |
| | | | environments, and as |
| | | | such would be very |
| | | | helpful on FreeBSD. |
|------------------+-------------+----------------+----------------------|
| | | | The LOR reported in |
| | | | PR kern/55175 needs |
| filedesc LOR | Not done | -- | to be fixed. |
| | | | Filedesc locking |
| | | | needs to be heavily |
| | | | reviewed in general. |
|------------------+-------------+----------------+----------------------|
| | | | Currently, MAC |
| | | | protections are |
| | | | enforced only on |
| | | | locally originated |
| | | | file system |
| | | | operations (VOPs), |
| | | | and not on RPCs |
| | | | generated via the |
| | | | NFS server. |
| MAC support for | | | Improvements in NFS |
| NFS Server | Not done | Robert Watson | server credential |
| | | | handling are |
| | | | required to correct |
| | | | this problem, as |
| | | | well as the |
| | | | introduction of new |
| | | | entry points to |
| | | | properly label NFS |
| | | | credentials and |
| | | | perform enforcement |
| | | | properly. |
|------------------+-------------+----------------+----------------------|
| | | | All PCI drivers must |
| | | | use busdma for DMA; |
| | | | no use of vtophys() |
| busdma in all | In progress | -- | will be permitted |
| PCI drivers | | | for any recent |
| | | | device driver. ISA |
| | | | drivers may be |
| | | | exempt. |
|------------------+-------------+----------------+----------------------|
| | | | Userland bits |
| KSE support for | In progress | Marcel | implemented, kernel |
| alpha | | Moolenaar | bits not |
| | | | implemented. |
|------------------+-------------+----------------+----------------------|
| | | | For kernel API/ABI |
| | | | compatibility |
| | | | reasons, it would be |
| CAM locking | In progress | Scott Long, | desirable to have |
| | | Justin Gibbs | the CAM locking |
| | | | strategy determined |
| | | | and loosely |
| | | | implemented for 5.3. |
|------------------+-------------+----------------+----------------------|
| | | | When running syscons |
| | | | on an Ultra-30 with |
| | | | Creator-3D typing |
| | | | characters on the |
| | | | keyboard produces |
| | | | garbage. Problem |
| | | | reported by Kris |
| syscons not | | | Kennaway. Debugging |
| working on | Not done | -- | difficult due to |
| Sparc64 Ultra-30 | | | lack of this |
| | | | particular |
| | | | configuration among |
| | | | developers and |
| | | | problem isn't |
| | | | present on similar |
| | | | hardware (e.g. no |
| | | | problem on Ultra-60 |
| | | | w/Creator-3D). |
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Documentation items that must be resolved for 5.3
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Issue | Status |Responsible| Description |
|--------------+-----------+-----------+----------------------------------|
| | | |The installation documentation |
|i386 Floppy | |Gavin |doesn't take into account the new |
|Installation |Done |Atkinson, |floppy images (with a full kernel |
|Docs | |Bruce A. |split across multiple disks). This|
| | |Mah |should be updated. |
| | | |References: docs/70485 (closed) |
|--------------+-----------+-----------+----------------------------------|
| | |Simon L. |Finish removing mention of |
|Finish | |Nielsen, |individual devices in the hardware|
|hardware notes|In progress|Christian |notes and use auto-generated |
|trimming | |Brueffer |lists, based on driver manual |
| | | |pages, instead. |
|--------------+-----------+-----------+----------------------------------|
| | | |The snd(4) and pcm(4) drivers have|
| | | |been renamed but their manual |
| | | |pages are still outdated. sound(4)|
| | | |has to be added and pcm(4), |
| | |Ruslan |csa(4), gusc(4), sbc(4), and |
|sound(4) | |Ermilov, |uaudio(4) should be revised. Other|
|related manual|In progress|Simon L. |manual pages which refer to pcm(4)|
|pages | |Nielsen |(if any) should possibly be |
| | | |revised, too. In addition, |
| | | |supported cards list needs to be |
| | | |updated. |
| | | |References: Manpage for snd_solo |
| | | |on -doc@ |
|--------------+-----------+-----------+----------------------------------|
|Sound section | |Marc |This section is outdated, some |
|in the |In progress|Fonvieille |rewrites are needed for |
|Handbook | | |5.3-RELEASE. |
|--------------+-----------+-----------+----------------------------------|
|FDP | | |With the snd(4) and pcm(4) drivers|
|documentations|Not done |-- |changes, documentations (FAQ) |
|related pcm(4)| | |regarding the use of these drivers|
| | | |need an update. |
|--------------+-----------+-----------+----------------------------------|
| | | |Xin LI pointed out that FreeBSD |
| | | |5.3-RELEASE is the first stable |
| | | |release on 5.X and it is |
| | | |(hopefully) not for early |
|Early | |Bruce A. |adopters. Early Adopter's Guide is|
|Adopter's |In progress|Mah, Tom |still useful, but contains a bit |
|Guide | |Rhodes |old information. Some parts of |
| | | |this guide need a rewrite, and |
| | | |this document should be published |
| | | |as "4.X to 5.X Migration Guide", |
| | | |which focuses difference between |
| | | |4.X and 5.X. |
|--------------+-----------+-----------+----------------------------------|
| | | |Some parts are outdated. doc/70485|
| | | |has been committed, but more work |
| | | |is needed to reflect the |
| | | |realities. bmah@ pointed out that |
|Installation |Not done |Tom Rhodes |we should have "quick-start" |
|Notes | | |installation guide for each |
| | | |platform instead of the current |
| | | |ones because they become too long |
| | | |and difficult to be maintained. |
| | | |References: doc/70485 (closed) |
|--------------+-----------+-----------+----------------------------------|
| | | |Update the X11 chapter of the |
| | |Ken Tom, |Handbook for X.Org's X11 server. |
|Xorg |Done |Marc |References: |
| | |Fonvieille |books/handbook/config/chapter.sgml|
| | | |rev.1.147 |
|--------------+-----------+-----------+----------------------------------|
| | | |Ch.11.4 and 11.5 of the Handbook |
| | | |must be updated to mention the new|
| | | |rc.d scripts and some ports use |
|rc.d scripts |In progress|Tom Rhodes |/etc/rc.conf for their |
| | | |configuration. |
| | | |References: |
| | | |books/handbook/config/chapter.sgml|
| | | |rev.1.170 |
|--------------+-----------+-----------+----------------------------------|
|Handbook's | | |Chapter 8 must be updated to match|
|kernel |In progress|Ceri Davies|5.3-RELEASE. |
|configuration | | |References: docs/70674 (open) |
|chapter | | | |
|--------------+-----------+-----------+----------------------------------|
| | | |Some parts of Section 14.10 are |
|Handbook's |Not done |-- |outdated and are not correct for |
|IPsec section | | |5.X systems. |
| | | |References: ipsec on -doc@ |
|--------------+-----------+-----------+----------------------------------|
|Handbook's |Not done |-- |Vinum chapter needs to be revised |
|Vinum chapter | | |for 5.X systems. |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Testing focuses for 5.3-RELEASE
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Issue | Status | Responsible | Description |
|-------------------+---------------+--------------+---------------------|
| | | | SCHED_ULE provides |
| | | | better |
| | | | interactivity, |
| | | | higher performance, |
| SCHED_ULE as the | Needs testing | Jeff | and the ability to |
| default scheduler | | Roberson | support pinning and |
| | | | affinity. Basic HTT |
| | | | scheduling policies |
| | | | should be in place |
| | | | for 5.3 also. |
|-------------------+---------------+--------------+---------------------|
| | | | KSE has matured to |
| | | | the point of being |
| | | | more stable and |
| | | | POSIX-compliant |
| | | | than the |
| | | | traditional libc_r. |
| | | | All Tier-1 |
| | | | platforms MUST have |
| KSE as the | | David Xu, | stable KSE support |
| default threads | Needs testing | Daniel | for 5.3 in order to |
| library | | Eischen | support a |
| | | | consistent |
| | | | transition. |
| | | | Additionally, all |
| | | | ports that depend |
| | | | on the pthreads API |
| | | | must be modified to |
| | | | properly detect and |
| | | | support the default |
| | | | threading library. |
|-------------------+---------------+--------------+---------------------|
| | | | Binutils needs |
| | | | updating in order |
| Updated binutils | | David | to support new |
| for all platforms | Needs testing | O'Brien | platforms, newer |
| | | | GDB versions, and |
| | | | Thread Local |
| | | | Storage. |
|-------------------+---------------+--------------+---------------------|
| | | | The previous GCC |
| | | | 3.3 snapshot |
| | | | included |
| | | | regressions in |
| | | | alignment of |
| | | | floating point |
| gcc 3.3 floating | | | arguments, |
| point alignment | Needs testing | | resulting in a |
| regression | | | substantial |
| | | | performance |
| | | | degradation. The |
| | | | recent GCC 3.4.2 |
| | | | import should fix |
| | | | this, but more |
| | | | testing is needed. |
|-------------------+---------------+--------------+---------------------|
| | | | Jun Kuriyama has |
| | | | reportged a failed |
| | | | locking assertion |
| | | | with IPv6 TCP |
| in6_pcbnotify() | Needs testing | Robert | notifications. A |
| panic with TCP | | Watson | patch has been |
| | | | committed to the |
| | | | CVS HEAD and |
| | | | RELENG_5 and needs |
| | | | further testing. |
|-------------------+---------------+--------------+---------------------|
| | | | To complete support |
| | | | for thread-local |
| | | | storage on FreeBSD, |
| | | | per-architecture |
| Per-platform | | Doug Rabson, | changes must be |
| Thread-Local | Needs testing | Marcel | made. Currently |
| Storage | | Moolenaar | pending platforms |
| | | | are amd64, alpha, |
| | | | ia64, i386, |
| | | | sparc64, and |
| | | | powerpc. |
|-------------------+---------------+--------------+---------------------|
| | | | High load on SMP |
| | | | systems appears to |
| | | | result in a hard |
| | | | hang related to VM |
| | | | IPI. Doug White has |
| SMP instability | | Doug White, | prepared a |
| under load | Needs testing | Alan L. Cox | candidate patch |
| | | | that appears to |
| | | | resolve this |
| | | | instability, which |
| | | | is currently in |
| | | | testing for merge |
| | | | to the CVS HEAD. |
|-------------------+---------------+--------------+---------------------|
| | | | Significant parts |
| | | | of the network |
| | | | stack (especially |
| | | | IPv4, UNIX domain |
| | | | IPC, and sockets) |
| | | | now have |
| | | | fine-grained |
| | | | locking of their |
| | | | data structures. |
| | | | It's possible to |
| | | | run many common |
| | | | network subsystems |
| | | | and services |
| | | | without the Giant |
| Fine-grained | | | lock. However, a |
| network stack | Needs testing | Robert | number of device |
| locking without | | Watson | drivers and less |
| Giant | | | mainstream network |
| | | | subsystems are |
| | | | currently not |
| | | | MPSAFE. By |
| | | | 5.3-RELEASE, it is |
| | | | necessary to have |
| | | | the vast majority |
| | | | of network code |
| | | | running without |
| | | | Giant, including |
| | | | sockets, permitting |
| | | | complete |
| | | | local<->remote |
| | | | delivery without |
| | | | grabbing Giant. |
|-------------------+---------------+--------------+---------------------|
| | | | As part of the |
| | | | MPSAFE network |
| | | | stack work, |
| | | | delivery of routing |
| | | | socket messages was |
| | | | moved to queued |
| | | | dispatch via netisr |
| | | | rather than direct |
| | | | dispatch from the |
| | | | routing code. |
| Increased and | | | However, the risks |
| configurable | | Robert | of lost routing |
| netisr queue max | Needs testing | Watson | messages for |
| depth for routing | | | routing daemons are |
| sockets | | | high; respond by |
| | | | increasing the max |
| | | | depth beyond a |
| | | | default interface |
| | | | max depth of 50 to |
| | | | 128, and allow it |
| | | | to be |
| | | | user-configured. |
| | | | This change is now |
| | | | present in CVS HEAD |
| | | | and RELENG_5. |
|-------------------+---------------+--------------+---------------------|
| | | | KLDs work when |
| | | | loaded from |
| | | | userland, but not |
| | | David | from the loader. |
| kld support for | Needs testing | O'Brien, Ian | kldxref and loader |
| amd64 | | Dowse | support has been |
| | | | committed to HEAD |
| | | | and RELENG_5 and |
| | | | needs final |
| | | | testing. |
|-------------------+---------------+--------------+---------------------|
| | | | Recent changes to |
| | | | the ATA driver |
| | | | trigger a bug on |
| ATA panics under | | So/ren | sparc64 that causes |
| sparc64 | Needs testing | Schmidt, | a panic on boot. |
| | | Scott Long | This was caused by |
| | | | bugs in busdma that |
| | | | have been hopefully |
| | | | fixed. |
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