> S4 isn't completely off. That's S5. S3 is a low power mode that's > 'fast' to recover from (suspend to RAM in old APMese). S4 and S4BIOS > are both suspend to disk. don't want suspend to disk. want just plain old suspend. and s5 seems to be "soft off" which does not sound like it either it's seeming like a problem of s3 not really turning the lcd off randy