FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

[Chuck Robey]

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Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
> Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
>> In message <4786058F.8080101 at gmail.com>, "Aryeh M. Friedman"
>> writes:
> 
>>>> We need more licenses like we need a 3rd or 4th leg.  What is
>>>> wrong with the standard BSD license please?
>>> I decided to elaborate slightly on the previous reply....
>> I am fully with Wilko here.
> 
>> We don't need to change the license or use any other means to beat
>> our users over the head.
> 
>> We need them to understand the problem, and act as intelligent
>> human beings.
> 
>> A lot of our users do this.  We have many crucial FreeBSD
>> developers employed at companies which understand that developer
>> support is key to FreeBSDs future.
> 
>> We just need more of that.

You know, there's more than one way to see that.  I clearly recall being
elated, at first, when I was first employed to do FreeBSD kernel work.  I
did that, and a bunch of daemon work, and (like I often do, for work) I got
heavily into it, nearly to the exclusion of all available hobby time (I
really do like messing with computers).  You know what happened?  I found I
had no time left, at all, for hobby FreeBSD work and I even left the
mailing lists.  I didn't leave FreeBSD work, but as far as you folks were
concerned, I might as well have.

As far as I'm concerned, I think that getting employed to do FreeBSD work
is one great way to stop doing hobby computing.  Am I alone in this?  And
beyond that, the work I was doing was stuff that the FreeBSD community
wouldn't have been terribly  interested in.  Yes, the company could have
showed a touch more *give back to the community* sort of actions, but they
wren['t really the reason that I left FreeBSD; I was.

Am I alone in this?

> 
> We also need to have better avenues for people who want to contribute
> but do not have the economic means to subsidize there work from some
> large company, gov. agency and/or university... i.e. there is no room
> for independent people to contribute on a full time basis...
> 
> As I said in an other message this is not about saying the current has
> anything wrong with it, just that it can be improved.
> 
> Volunteer efforts are great and I fully support them (such as my work
> on ports 2.0) but the larger they grow the harder it gets to do it all
> volunteer (every large non-profit has paid full-time employees after
> all)... to paraphrase an other organization I am involved in we should
> "be completely self supporting through our own ....contributions"...
> this includes more then just service it includes supporting those who
> do such service...
> 
> BTW as to the single sentence that would recitify this in the bsd
> license it would be something as simple as:
> 
>     "Execution of covered work in any form may be conditioned to
> payment fees (if any) and/or performing work in kind detailed at
> http://......".
> 
>    The "(if any)" wording is important because the licensor (FreeBSD)
> can elect to charge nothing but require work in kind for example.
> The actual amount of the fee and or works can be very small for such a
> large project like FreeBSD (less then $5/year) to make it 100% self
> supporting [no donations needed].
> 
> 

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