New Boot Loader Menu

[John Baldwin]

On Tuesday, October 09, 2012 11:25:19 am Devin Teske wrote:
> …Re-adding the list… (good point)
> 
> On Oct 9, 2012, at 8:15 AM, Garrett Cooper wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 8:05 AM, Devin Teske <devin.teske at fisglobal.com> wrote:
> >> …Re-adding the list…
> >> 
> >> On Oct 8, 2012, at 12:42 PM, olli hauer wrote:
> >> 
> >>> ...
> >>> 
> >>>> You'll also get zero argument out of me that putting "Delete" on-screen 
is not only to-be-avoided for the opposing situation (that some keyboards may 
not have a "Delete" but instead "Backspace") but indeed "Delete" is worse 
because the implied connotation associated with the "Delete" key (_someone_ 
might be confused into thinking "Delete" will purge the menu from memory).
> >>>> 
> >>>> I will play with keycodes.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Just be aware that currently left arrow CANNOT work. That is a bad 
suggestion (read why below).
> >>>> 
> >>>> In Forth, I'm using the "key" primitive which -- rather unfortunately 
-- produces a zero for "left-arrow", "right-arrow", "up-arrow", "down-arrow", 
"F1", "F2", "F3", "F4", "F5", "F6", "F7", "F8", "F9", and "F10" (note: it 
doesn't catch "F11", "F12", "F13", "F14", "F15", or "F16").
> >>>> 
> >>>> So all those key options are right-out when it comes to "using them 
instead of Backspace" (I simply can't identify in the loader when those keys 
are pressed).
> >>>> 
> >>> 
> >>> ...
> >>> 
> >>> will the space key work for a general back to or up one entry?
> >>> I suspect the space bar has the same keycode on all platforms 
(intel/appel/ppc/sparc ...)
> >>> 
> >>> Anyway nice work :)
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> By golly, I think olli is on to something here!
> >> 
> >> What does everybody think about space?
> >> 
> >> I like it because it's a NICE BIG TARGET (and it's not used by anything else).
> > 
> > It was used once upon a time to pause the bootloader countdown…
> 
> Well… that hasn't *really* been true since r222417 (16+ months ago).

Yes, you completely destroyed POLA for users used to hitting various keys
to catch the boot loader before it passed by over remote KVMs.  Please don't
keep moving the goal posts.  The only reason my co-workers aren't screaming 
loudly about this to date is that we still use 8.x.  Users get these key 
bindings ingrained and we shouldn't change them lightly.

That is really my only comment for this thread.  It seems you are intent on
breaking POLA for little to no gain and have no compunction about doing so
which is a shame.

-- 
John Baldwin