Let's adopt a standard nomenclature for webs of patch trees etc.
roam at ringlet.net
Sun Dec 26 21:11:03 UTC 2010
On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 09:42:29PM +0100, Ulrich Spörlein wrote:
> On Sun, 26.12.2010 at 18:28:20 +0100, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
> > Was Subject: Re: Schedule for releases
> > I changed it, as my reply takes it too far off that topic.
> > Erik Cederstrand wrote:
> > > Hi Mike,
> > > Den 22/12/2010 kl. 18.45 skrev Mike Karels:
> > >
> > > > - Those of us doing backports could probably do a better job of
> > > > sharing the results. On the other hand, I'm generally backporting
> > > > to a specific release (currently 6.3 or 7.2) rather than -stable,
> > > > and we're testing our software rather than FreeBSD.
> > >
> > > Thanks for taking the time to write your comments. What strikes me is =
> > > that we may have lots of non-FreeBSD developers working to backport =
> > > stuff in their own private trees. Possibly a lot of redundant work is =
> > > being done.
> > >
> > > Even though you're backporting to a specific release, and even though =
> > > you're only testing the work via your own software, would it not help =
> > > others and possibly even yourself if this FreeBSD-specific work lands in =
> > > the FreeBSD repository instead of your private tree? In my view you're =
> > > just as much a FreeBSD developer as people with commit access that are =
> > > scratching their own itches in CURRENT.
> > >
> > > Erik=
> > Good point, Probably loads of fixes from non commiters never get
> > sent back to FreeBSD. Many people will have motivation only to fix local
> > problems, but no time to send back, especially deterred by clunky send-pr.
> > Though I & many others have sent lots of send-pr,
> > contributing even a spelling correction to FreeBSD
> > is much harder than to eg http://wikipedia.org
> > + a beginner has to bend their brain to send-pr
> > + send-pr user should not be burdened exploring tree to find
> > Maintainer to send-pr CC (which should be automaticly
> > extracted from tree on a ports =MAINTAINER basis
> > or eg a src/ .MAINTAINER per some sub directories
> > where there is a volunteer or mail list)
> > + send-pr user must spend time composing a
> > diplomatic & attractive subject & body, to catch
> > some gnats@ readers eye, to get them to stop browsing
> > get interested, & commit.
> > Many a potential contributor's attitude will be: I don't
> > have time: Catch the diff or drop it, your loss !
> > So a lot of potential send-pr won't get filed, but I bet local users
> > don't toss their fixes though, but keep local patch kits, till if
> > ever they or others send-pr & something gets commited, (which might
> > be days or years later).
> > Those diff trees stored localy, users could easily export via
> > rdist/rsync etc to their local webs, eg I do this:
> > My diffs in a tree structure
> > http://berklix.com/~jhs/src/bsd/fixes/FreeBSD
> > My application script
> > http://berklix.com/~jhs/bin/.csh/customise
> > Those trees, FreeBSD could encourage users to keep in a standard
> > format (path nomenclature etc) & we should reccomend,
> > indexed from a common page on eg wiki.freebsd.org
> > It would make a search tool &/or automatic periodic indexing
> > for possible diffs so much better than any general purpose
> > search engine.
> > Index of uncommited patches ready for test, would be ideal
> > for those currently stuck, & would assist more motivated
> > testers corroborating good patches worth commiting.
> > A standard format would increase chances patch kits are found,
> > even if patch creator too busy to file send-pr etc.
> > Let's adopt standards to make searches for potential patch trees easier:
> > - Adopt a common path root & nomenclature for all our trees of local diffs,
> > - Ask users to mirror local uncommited trees of diffs to thir local webs
> > (until if when commited after send-pr, then they delete)
> > - Ask authors of local patch kits to submit a single URL to a new wiki page,
> > pointing to top automatically apply-able directory of patches
> > Later we might also list a SOC project for a crawler indexer,
> > - src/ directories could also Optionaly later adopt
> > .MAINTAINER files (Subject of previous discussions, please dont let that
> > distract from main proposal though)
> > - ports/*/*/Makefile MAINTAINER = could also be used by a SOC tool
> While this idea is good as a base, doing this with patch-trees is the
> worst possible move. Patchfiles lack comments or 'commit info' and they
> do not easily record the revision and branch they should be applied to.
> Stacking multiple patches together with comments on what they do, is
> exactly what revision control systems were made for. And while we cannot
> easily share svn access to random contributors, systems like git or
> mercurial are exactly what we need here.
> In other words, we need github for FreeBSD. I'm working on some basics
> for this at repos.freebsd.your.org, but had severe VM instabilities
> during the last weeks.
I have to admit that this crossed my mind as soon as I read Julian's
e-mail, especially as I've been keeping my local FreeBSD patches in
a version-controlled tree for the past ten years - first CVS, then
Subversion, and recently Git.
Now, is there a reason we couldn't just use Gitorious? :)
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