FreeBSD has a politics problem

Julian H. Stacey jhs at
Mon Mar 5 19:10:06 UTC 2018

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> On 3/4/2018 5:13 PM, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
> > deb at wrote:
> >> Hi David,
> >>
> >> This is Deb Goodkin, Executive Director for the FreeBSD Foundation. Th=
> e
> >> Foundation isn't responsible for the CoC, that would be the FreeBSD
> >> Project's core team. Please don't spread mis-information about the
> >> Foundation censoring discussions. Someone else on this thread can hope=
> fully
> >> direct you to the correct mailing list for discussing your concerns
> >> regarding the Code of Conduct.=20
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >>
> >> Deb Goodkin
> >> Executive Director
> >> The FreeBSD Foundation
> >=20
> > Hi Deb,
> > Did the foundation pay for it ?=20
> The discussion needs to not demonize people or entities involved on
> either side.

FreeBSD are at liberty to reject a non FreeBSD outsider who wrote this
especially if they were paid to write it, even more so if the paid
outsider hopes rules she/he wrote they'd like to see imposed on us.

> It seems to me that it would have been better had this CoC
> had more outside review and possibly a draft period where the project
> asked for community feedback.

** A draft & period for comment should have been mandatory,
omiting it suggests arrogance or incompetence.

> IMHO it's not too late to go down those
> paths but we need to take a deep breath and consider that the intentions
> of the CoC are only good;

Maybe, or not,  See ** above.

> that the project should be more welcoming for
> everyone.  There's nothing wrong with the Foundation sponsoring a CoC,
> even if it had flaws.

I think legaly Foundation is not answerable to FreeBSD just to the
few who founded the foundation.  Nothing wrong with FreeBSD rejecting
an unwanted gift as incompetent waste of money - if they want.

> It likely would need to help sponsor independent
> reviews to weed out unneutral language.

Whoever sprung this on FreeBSD community without warning should be admonished.

FreeBSD Foundation could ask for a refund from the incompetent who
wrote it, & Foundation in turn could refund those such as the person
who asked "Can I have a refund".

Julian Stacey, Computer Consultant, Systems Engineer, BSD Linux Unix, Munich
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