I can't make world without the "games" group?

Kris Kennaway kris at FreeBSD.org
Tue Aug 26 13:08:45 UTC 2008

Redd Vinylene wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Giorgos Keramidas
> <keramida at ceid.upatras.gr> wrote:
>> On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:31:22 +0200, "Redd Vinylene" <reddvinylene at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Why can't I make world without the "games" group? I run a serious
>>> server, not a kindergarten ;)
>>> I don't want the games group there, I just don't need it!
>> Have you tried building with an src.conf file that includes:
>>    WITHOUT_GAMES='yes'
>> It' not a matter of `kindergarten or not', but a matter of providing a
>> predictable `base system' by default and all the knob and documentation
>> to customize it at will.  That's why you can find a lot of customization
>> options in the manpage of src.conf(5).
>> For example, on a `production server' that is a bit limited in space,
>> and doesn't really need compilers, debuggers, profiling tools, or three
>> different firewalls, I would probably build with:
>>    WITHOUT_CVS=yes
>>    WITHOUT_GAMES='yes'
>>    WITHOUT_GCOV=yes
>>    WITHOUT_GDB=yes
>>    WITHOUT_IPX=yes
>>    WITHOUT_OBJC=yes
>> I would also use WITHOUT_TOOLCHAIN=yes during `make installworld' runs,
>> to skip installing all the gcc, g++ and debugger tools.
>> The default `base system' still installs all these parts, but you are
>> definitely *not* obliged to always install all of them.
>> - Giorgos
> Hello hello!
> Yeah I actually tried that, but I got the same error.
> I don't see why the FreeBSD team has to insist on keeping this, pardon
> my language, bullshit. If some sorry guy actually needs this, why
> can't he load it as a module, or install a port?
> To quote some Frenchman: "Perfection is achieved, not when there's
> nothing left to add, but when there's nothing left to take away."
> I worry slightly as I watch FreeBSD become bigger and bigger, fearing
> that some day it'll all come tumbling down!

Try to relax and calm down a bit.  The games user is a left-over remnant 
of something that has ALWAYS been part of BSD, but *was* already mostly 
removed from FreeBSD some years ago (the actual games are now in the 
ports tree).  It is not some insidious creeping bloat that has been 
added while you weren't looking.


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