advocacy/89731: TOO MANY SPAMs on jp.freebsd.org's mailing list
Takeo Hashimoto
HashimotoTakeo at mac.com
Wed Nov 30 18:04:09 GMT 2005
Mr.Baldwin, thanks for your guidance.
On Thu 01 Dec 2005 00:49 JST, John Baldwin wrote:
>> >On Wednesday 30 November 2005 01:07 am, Takeo Hashimoto wrote:
>> >> Currently every subscriber has to spend their time
>> >> wading through the spam to pick up the ones which are not spam.
>> >> (Of course it is dissipation of resources.)
>> >
>> >Yes, I use spamassassin personally. Also, I should note that
>> > FreeBSD.org's mail server employs some aggressive spam filtering which
>> > stops a lot of it from showing up on FreeBSD lists. Perhaps the jp folks
>> > could setup some spam filtering on their mail server as well to cut down
>> > on the load. Note that only a couple of FreeBSD.org lists are
>> > restrict_post, most are open.
>>
>> FreeBSD.org lists may be greater than jp's, but you said to me:
>> > Also, I should note that
>> > FreeBSD.org's mail server employs some aggressive spam filtering which
>> > stops a lot of it from showing up on FreeBSD lists.
>>
>> it is very good. I'm very grad to hear that.
>> we all want to hear same explanation from jp admins.
>>
>> There is no transparency on jp.FreeBSD.org,
>> so we feel no democracy and admins dogma.
>
>Yes, but with volunteer projects you as a user can't just go mandate that the
>people doing the work go spend their time doing X. FreeBSD isn't that much
>of a democracy either. Granted, core members are elected, but only by
>developers, not by users. This is something of a common theme in the Open
>Source world in that the people who do the work get to make decisions.
>FreeBSD.org also has very little oversight of xx.FreeBSD.org, those entities
>are fairly autonomous. Have you tried talking to the jp.FreeBSD.org admins
>directly? Have you volunteered to help out with doing some of the work if
>so? If you can't get them to be responsive, then you can also take action by
>setting up your own mailing lists with the policies that you wish to use. If
>users end up preferring your lists then at some point your list may supersede
>the current list at jp.FreeBSD.org.
# you're breakin' my heart. :(
>Have you tried talking to the jp.FreeBSD.org admins directly?
OK now I know that it was my mistake that I had started from send-PR.
I had to start contacting to jp admins.
# yes, I sent some mail to them an hour ago.
>Have you volunteered to help out with doing some of the work if so?
actually not yet.
I want to do so, as I am just a poor user, I am not a developer,
but I want to spend my time to make it better.
am I wrong again?
>If you can't get them to be responsive, then you can also take action by
>setting up your own mailing lists with the policies that you wish to use.
I don't want fork.
I think that if I (and most jp.FreeBSD.org list user) can't get them
to be responsive, there should be some re-election to disclose
the dicision making process even if mobocracy.
am I wrong again?
>> I think we are same on this point:
>> "how to make it easy for new people to get started with FreeBSD?"
>>
>> but the conclusion is different. You say "open the door (with gatekeeper)"
>> I say "close the door until you examine the newcomer is a human".
>>
>> I think that it is policy problem, so jp admins need to have public
>> hearing. Will this PR cause their action? I hope.
>
>Well, I'm not sure any of the jp guys are reading this exchange, so I don't
>know if it will result in any action or not. The PR database really isn't
>suited well for this type of request either. If you haven't talked to the jp
>folks directly, then you should do that first (but not the caveats I
>mentioned earlier). If you have talked to the jp folks and are unhappy with
>their response, you can try to bring the issue to core at . However, if you are
>unable to convince the jp admins to make a change, your best bet may be to
>work on setting up your own alternative list.
OK, then, this PR was wrong topic.
my last task of this PR is only one thing:
- post a summary
...am I wrong again? :)
anyway, I will keep act to jp admins. thanks.
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