A case of FreeBSD users shooting all FreeBSD users in the foot?

Jonathan j.e.drews at worldnet.att.net
Fri Oct 10 23:48:42 PDT 2003

On Friday 10 October 2003 11:38 pm, R.Bagby wrote:
> Found this on a google search.
> The comments were incredible.
> Very unfortunate if this is the only view people have of FreeBSD users.

 I read a few of the comments and they paint a very unflattering view of the 
FreeBSD community. Unfortunately, FreeBSD has brought some of this upon 
1) Most newbies require CD's to do an install yet FreeBSD mall has terrible 
advertising for it's CD's. There are no screenshots of Gnome or Kde and no 
package descriptions whatsoever. You don't see anything like this (GNOME) 
http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome/screenshots.html  or this (KDE)  
http://freebsd.kde.org/screenshots.php  at FreeBSD mall. Furthermore 
OpenOffice is not on the RELEASE Cd's. That is a huge mistake.

2) The documentation is sometimes too vague and aimed at computer 
professionals. I tried to configure a firewall using "Dialup firewalling with 
FreeBSD" and I could not get it to work ( http://www.freebsd.org/doc/
en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/dialup-firewall/index.html ).  I finally went and 
read the tutorials at obfuscation.org. I say sometimes because for the most 
part the documentation is extremely good. Newbies require straight forward 
imperative commands like so:
 a) to configure IPF do:
    step 1) make a file in /etc called ipf.rules like so:
               block in all
               pass in on dc0 all
               pass out on dc0 all
               pass out on tun0 proto udp from any to any keep state
               pass out on tun0 proto tcp from any to any keep state
    step 2) .....
There is a tendency to over explain things. Don't tell me about the birth 
pains, just deliver the baby. The detailed explanations are best left to Greg 
Lehey's book, The Complete FreeBSD.

3) While FreeBSD ports are generally very good there is little coordination 
amongst the ports maintainers. That is if the ghostscript port gets changed, 
I find out about it when it breaks printing in the word processors. For a 
hobbyist it's an annoyance, for a company using FreeBSD desktops it's a 

 I am not a troll, I am most interested that FreeBSD prospers. I run FreeBSD 
4.8 on my used ThinkPad 600E and I have WiFi, USB scanning, USB printing, 
sound, the winmodem and X working. FreeBSD makes a great desktop OS. 
		Kind regards,

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