cvs commit: src/lib/libc/gen fts-compat.c fts-compat.h

Pawel Jakub Dawidek pjd at
Mon Aug 27 06:57:39 PDT 2007

On Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 08:50:19AM -0400, John Baldwin wrote:
> On Friday 24 August 2007 07:22:12 pm Warner Losh wrote:
> > What's the overhead of having the transition crutch around for a
> > while?  The benefit is that people are less likely to screw up their
> > systems at a time when we want to encourage people to upgrade so they
> > can test the latest/greatest version.  If it were 9 months after
> > RELENG_6 was branched, and a long time to a release, then I'd be much
> > more inclined to agree with the 'current is hard, so why spend
> > engineering effort on making it easy' crowd than I would now that more
> > of the world is watching and using it since we're in the glide path to
> > beta1.
> > 
> > I don't see why we can't put the versioned symbols in, let everybody
> > upgrade and then remove the old symbols after a big enough window has
> > passed.  It isn't like they are hurting anything by being there, is
> > it?
> Then why didn't we bump libc multiple times in a branch?  It's the same
> exact thing except more fine-grained.  If it's ok to bump symbol
> versions multiple times (remember, we've already done 1 bump by adding
> versioning and going to in a branch, then it should have been
> ok to bump libc major numbers multiple times.
> I agree with Dan that we are trying to build releases, and folks running
> -current are expected to tolerate change during the current branch.

Folks running -current are also committers that use -current to test as
much as they can, but also to use it for day-to-day work. Isn't it why
we have perforce and other policies, so that -current can be stable and
usable? If we have tools that can help -current users to use the system
smoothly, I'm all for using them. I can't imagine taking yet another two
days and reinstalling all ports, just because -current users are not
important. Of course -current users know how to deal with things like
this, but that doesn't mean they have to if there is another way.
The more surprises like that one, the less -current users we will have,
which means the less testing.
If there will be a need for me to reinstall all the ports I'll choose
not to upgrade or downgrade to 6.x...

Pawel Jakub Dawidek             
pjd at                 
FreeBSD committer                         Am I Evil? Yes, I Am!
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