cvs commit: src Makefile.inc1 src/etc/defaults rc.conf src/etc/mtree BSD.usr.dist src/etc/rc.d Makefile isdnd pcvt syscons src/release/picobsd/build picobsd src/share/man/man4 Makefile atkbd.4 kbdmux.4 pcvt.4 splash.4 vkbd.4 ...

Hellmuth Michaelis hm at
Thu May 18 06:16:38 PDT 2006

On Wednesday 17 May 2006 22:12, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
> In message <446B8337.3060306 at>, Julian Elischer writes:
> >I've seen people mention that they are running pcvt quite recently.
> Last three times I've tried on -current, a pcvt kernel didn't even
> boot.

With all respect for you and your work on FreeBSD, Poul-Henning,
i'd like to get some things said:

pcvt is broken since your cleanup of the tty kernel code.

Since then reports about the brokeness are coming in here.
I tried to fix it but due to time shortage on my side and a
non-understanding of what you did with the tty code lead
me to ask you directly for help:

	From hm Sun Apr  3 10:46:39 2005
	Subject: pcvt in 5.x and 6.x
	To: phk at
	Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 11:07:20 +0200 (CEST)
	cc: re at

I got a reply from you asking if i found something out about this
which i answered and that was it. Silence.

Now - it looks like that you cleaned up the tty code, got everything 
running and adjusted again, but - oops - forgot to also get pcvt
running and adjusted again, and a year later, shouting, "look,
pcvt does not run for over a year now", taking out the axe and
ripping it off (the second time).

Something looks not quite right to me here, doesn't it ?

Granted, i have no idea where to start seaching for the thing
preventing pcvt to work and i don't have the time to make me
familiar with the changes in the tty subsystem. I think its your
task to get pcvt running again as it ran before you touched
the tty subsystem and pcvt deserves the same work to get
it fixed as did the other subsystems got from you which were
affected by your changes.

Don't get me wrong: i think i have not enough understanding
of what happened to the tty subsystem, so if its time for pcvt
to get ripped off, then its time. On the other side - in case pcvt
would at least run again then i would be happy to take care for it.

Hellmuth Michaelis                                       +49 (0)160 96 45 56 96
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