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[Alexander Leidinger]

On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:07:51 +0200
Michael Nottebrock <lofi at freebsd.org> wrote:

> On Sunday, 26. June 2005 03:52, Alexander Leidinger wrote:
> 
> > > I really have no idea how you're arriving at that conclusion. It doesn't
> > > say "ports which use X11".
> >
> > The X11R6 distribution contains servers, utilities and more (libs/data
> > files/...). Specifying them and then adding "local packages/ports"
> > suggest to me, that not only binaries which come with the X11R6
> > distribution are allowed to reside here.
> 
> PLEASE STOP being silly for the sake of argument!

This is how I read it. Really. I'm honest.

> I have explained to you why your change is wrong. I have pointed you to a 
> piece of documentation you didn't even KNOW about before. I have pointed out 
> to you the breakage caused by it. 

I've read hier(7) long ago. I'm sure this part of it was there at the
time I've read it. If I had understand it the way you understand
hier(7), I wouldn't say the opposite. I don't need to make arguments
just for the sake of it. If I make an error, I don't try to put it
under the carpet. I don't need to do this. When I make an error I
apologize in public.

You said I did something wrong, I said the documentation is
ambiguous. Maybe my english isn't as good as your english is. Maybe I
have a different POV (and I didn't made it up just for you, this is how
I view it since I've started with 3-current). Whatever, please calm
down, I'm only interested in technical discussions.

> Now what's so hard about just saying "Oops, sorry" and backing that bit out 
> instead of trying to read things into hier(7) which just aren't there?

Saying "Oops, sorry" is not a problem for me, as long as I see the
error. But I'm following the de-facto standard, and as I already told
here too much of times, the documentation is ambiguous (else we
wouldn't have the current amount of ports which install into X11BASE),
and results of discussions in a BoF on BSDCan are not widespread
knowledge unless the official documentation is changed or a public
announcement in a appropriate way is made.

> >  - As soon as a new way of doing it is published, I will follow it.
> 
> It really is colleagues like you that make working on FreeBSD that extra bit 
> satisfactory.

It would be nice if you could calm down and keep the discussion on a
technical level.

My technical contribution: This is the EOT for me until I see a
portmgr approved commit to the documentation which clarifies the issue.

Honestly,
Alexander.

-- 
      ...and that is how we know the Earth to be banana-shaped.

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