Re:_Proposal_—_Seamless_Windows_Application_Virtua lization_via_bhyve

I don't usually say this, but I want to buy a FreeBSD-based system and sell
my laptops with KDE Plasma Wayland as the default, and it should be easy to
install.

8 Ağu 2026 Cmt 18:06 tarihinde Asiye Sarıyıldız <asiyee994@gmail.com> şunu
yazdı:

> Hmm. Yes actually... Fair point on Wine's gaming performance, thats
> genuinely impressive progress. But Adobe's issue isnt really about
> performance its that the Creative Cloud installer depends on deep Windows
> subsystems (MSHTML the embedded IE-based components, MSXML3) that Wine
> being a translation layer rather than a real Windows kernel, has
> historically failed to replicate correctly. That's why installation itself
> has been broken since Adobe added that dependency back in 2018.
> Interestingly, there's very recent work (a patch from a dev going by
> PhialsBasement, still unofficial) that fixes exactly those MSHTML/MSXML3
> gaps and gets the Creative Cloud installer working, with Photoshop 2021 and
> 2025 confirmed running. But it's early, not upstream yet, and heavier apps
> like Premiere (GPU/rendering-dependent) are still an open question.
> That's part of why I was drawn to the bhyve/VM angle: it sidesteps the
> "Wine has to perfectly reimplement every obscure Windows subsystem" problem
> entirely, at the cost of the display/rendering issues you pointed out.
>
> 8 Ağu 2026 Cmt 17:57 tarihinde Tomek CEDRO <tomek@cedro.info> şunu yazdı:
>
>> On Sat, Aug 8, 2026 at 10:43 AM Asiye Sarıyıldız <asiyee994@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Sorry for the direct reply, loops back to the list. As you know, Wine
>> can't actually run things like Adobe software, but what I have in mind
>> similar to WSL2 is being able to run Windows applications seamlessly using
>> bhyve.
>> >
>> > 8 Ağu 2026 Cmt 11:37 tarihinde Asiye Sarıyıldız <asiyee994@gmail.com>
>> şunu yazdı:
>> >>
>> >> I know about Wine, but Wine tries to replicate Windows APIs which
>> often causes compatibility bugs or performance overhead. (..)
>>
>> Not anymore, I run modern windows games (i.e. Cyberpunk 2077) on
>> FreeBSD over Wine 11, it works with native performance.. which is not
>> possible under Bhyve or VBox.
>>
>> > My idea with bhyve was closer to a lightweight virtualized Windows
>> kernel operating in the background, where the GUI windows are seamlessly
>> integrated into the FreeBSD desktop environment (like seamless mode in
>> VirtualBox or WSLg in Linux). I thought bhyve could achieve better raw
>> hardware compatibility for specific professional Windows apps. Example
>> Adobe?.
>>
>> You probably noticed that Bhyve still uses VNC for a remote desktop
>> and that makes it even worse for graphics / cad applications than
>> VirtualBox that at least offers direct rendering.
>>
>> I would suggest looking at Bhyve and improve display (i.e. no latency
>> + vulkan / opengl rendering) in the first place :-)
>>
>> --
>> CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info
>>
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