From nobody Thu Feb 01 12:40:11 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-virtualization@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TQdmd4mJ4z58Z89 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2024 12:40:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lj1-x234.google.com (mail-lj1-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::234]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TQdmd2sH9z4RCY for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2024 12:40:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-lj1-x234.google.com with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-2d043160cd1so10742051fa.1 for ; Thu, 01 Feb 2024 04:40:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1706791247; x=1707396047; darn=freebsd.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=H8Rsr6BJt4+edya9wfXBk1W75DRcape5LBqG4CdBFok=; b=BFG6ly3MBKLCBBAO63v9KSjqg7X/Zwnm1UMnY5uHSSFk7edN/60fC4bz1NxF9SQFSE 0EBpWuslk7Wm/wbi01iTRNC5xoKNyY4Dpl9ogr9qg5bRFybDJQXndetehXCWvVeDsS9K ad7yCNqxfKTXcGfEqg91UE4v68WSOt2l7sjJfWbDr1odhdh64SpAZXIIaMKigWgqS09x TV8pF2a53As6fRWA+lJ/JNDhpFSzvGDh++XlEnLo9NKUth9sEEMigcJWJAMtsFGyXvH+ g1S4P3rOR7T8YWqF2PBb0PnEtJzi2Gg4qIPMAseI6L0g6VzYX5Ji8WD3VbKqAEFTQbMv o1Lw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1706791247; x=1707396047; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=H8Rsr6BJt4+edya9wfXBk1W75DRcape5LBqG4CdBFok=; b=ROdEjTizubIOSAlf76LACb0T4LRCj4jQEkUddv2hcXWr1Idbw4rwRQQjCQQsuAUI4Q /9udqk+29OUdua6CanXL9r28Nm80Mk9Qg0qFupL5OVxszUOLHPGE6M/5vPKLu3IU/MQ0 d2ZWtAapT1GzZ+IA/De4P8qM8vgA3N304NbY8noZNiev0V9wgxkontavBHvIgFJ3Qfpu yG9A6+q0AxCSRjpVZbi/wZLr6K0V51K7nMHp2QcH6dfZeWGAySY5F1K7KnLF1OLkc7zz FZPS5WAv6S9XAinxOMgSnEzihDrvWeLaaIyoSmS83yy/t6h2R3Byhf+Haf7zMkfR0i3g KJ5Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyHj3YnF4rg4MoFz2aDhEjWhwouQf83IoO+KD15i701C3oIuiSV EnKo0p/ARhKDJ5L/QVXwEZ/QxZKpTNKDLe8BHQ16W8pQ9gOAe/soRpcYw9e/6fUdCjqhG0LThcK GXZoJ4F6bk6ZaUaKnq0WcjnHvhI8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFwCD92FGrQnvv0AKciHK2bgvW8Vvf+6LYTD9hZI2t0ItLANvxHFlZZCgYMyjsbit9Qa5JcxDAOUY3dNREwvSE= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:8244:0:b0:2cd:9503:f91 with SMTP id j4-20020a2e8244000000b002cd95030f91mr3325919ljh.15.1706791246790; Thu, 01 Feb 2024 04:40:46 -0800 (PST) List-Id: Discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-virtualization List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Odhiambo Washington Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2024 15:40:11 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: If we are so opposed to Docker and Kubernetes, what is the real alternative on BSD? To: Alejandro Imass Cc: FreeBSD virtualization Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f888240610514d78" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TQdmd2sH9z4RCY X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US] --000000000000f888240610514d78 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 3:13=E2=80=AFPM Alejandro Imass wrote: > I made the title provocative for a flame but in good faith, so hear me ou= t > ;-) > > Being a FreeBSD user for many years I perfectly understand why supporting > Docker is useless outside of virtualization or just for fun. I only put i= t > in the subject to get your attention. > > But can the same be said of Kubernetes? In the understanding that k8s > relies on some Linux specific things like namespaces and control groups > etc. but we have similar utilities that could be used, so not sure why no > serious effort to port k8s to BSD so far... > > Moreover, why is there not a serious alternative to Kubernetes-like, or a > FreeBSd native Kubernetes port, at this point in 2024 ? I've read comment= s > about Nomad but does it actually work with Bastille for example ? I mean = we > have all the building blocks, and we invented "container" so wtf is there > no similar orchestration and auto scaling jail technology at our disposal > on FBSD so far ? > > What am I missing? > You're missing the fact that you could virtualize a Linux host and run all those Docker/k8s inside it and just proxy access to them. For example, I am running https://ushahidi.kictanet.or.ke/views/map inside an Ubuntu VM under bhyve. Apache on the FreeBSD host is doing the proxy. PS: I am lucky to be the 1st one to pour more fuel into your flame :-) --=20 Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' =C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html] --000000000000f888240610514d78 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 3:13=E2=80=AFP= M Alejandro Imass <aimass@yabaran= a.com> wrote:
I made the title provocative for a flame but in good = faith, so hear me out ;-)

Being a FreeBSD user for many = years I perfectly understand why supporting Docker is useless outside of vi= rtualization=C2=A0or just for fun. I only put it in the subject to get your= attention.

But can the same be said of Kubernetes= ? In the understanding that k8s relies on some Linux specific things like n= amespaces and control groups etc. but we have similar utilities that could = be used, so not sure why no serious effort to port k8s to BSD so far...

Moreover, why is there not a serious alternative to K= ubernetes-like, or a FreeBSd native Kubernetes port, at this point in 2024 = ? I've read comments about Nomad but does it actually work with Bastill= e for example ? I mean we have all the building blocks, and we invented &qu= ot;container" so wtf is there no similar orchestration and auto scalin= g jail technology=C2=A0at our disposal on FBSD so far ?

What am I missing?

You= 9;re missing the fact that you could virtualize a Linux host and run all th= ose Docker/k8s inside it and just proxy access to them.
For examp= le, I am running=C2=A0https://ushahidi.kictanet.or.ke/views/map inside an Ubuntu VM under bh= yve. Apache on the FreeBSD host is doing the proxy.

PS: I am lucky to be the 1st one to pour more fuel into your flame :-)


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=C2=A0In=C2=A0an Intern= et failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS.
"Oh, the cruft.",=C2=A0egrep -v '^$|= ^.*#'=C2=A0=C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF= =C2=A0:-)
[How to ask smart questions:=C2=A0http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]
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