From nobody Sun Jul 20 10:16:27 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-tex@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4blKFR3NRlz61v2J for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2025 10:16:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gray@nxg.name) Received: from mx2.mythic-beasts.com (mx2.mythic-beasts.com [IPv6:2a00:1098:0:82:1000:0:2:1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (prime256v1) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4blKFP4G4Vz3SDT for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2025 10:16:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gray@nxg.name) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=nxg.name header.s=mythic-beasts-k1 header.b=tpsUnDmc; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of gray@nxg.name designates 2a00:1098:0:82:1000:0:2:1 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=gray@nxg.name; dmarc=none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nxg.name; s=mythic-beasts-k1; h=Date:Subject:To:From; bh=FOWEHGAn8QsOAza2kwEVboAOJIhapAD73JzkeQxr5OY=; b=tpsUnDmc7S1BcuS5TI8n76Es3K iXu3Nn15X41f7sH0Oo3WDLycuhKyf1k/YM6H2L8W8C2fKao2TNvf9Qsj8fsI6MqxfBWHCWIFhO86Y yWryMJ+sMHpho2Uaf6VjN3eTdSjvyGPpSyKsCug6cTIK2y9aTOg0OAnn5oQGwgHvxzNDnStC4B6g5 /20ZeMYDl6XL+3HQw6jl+OGClM9LA7W52UI/iH20iwD3O3FZ8h6Xo2btUpmze4h0utI+9MCP3va/L 7N/TTH1S55QedYM/epZWBorh1HSSpvaPKixVosV5+i/z2z7UO04/zBOiS4cXeJ6Qok0hzDgdR9b+u YLr68pWA==; Received: by mailhub-hex-d.mythic-beasts.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1udR5y-008DGM-1u; Sun, 20 Jul 2025 11:16:38 +0100 From: Norman Gray To: freebsd-tex@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Current texlive-full package fails Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2025 11:16:27 +0100 X-Mailer: MailMate (2.0r6255) Message-ID: <8393FABD-B347-491E-9A34-9E78E489A957@nxg.name> List-Id: Porting TeX and related applications to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-tex List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-tex@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BlackCat-Spam-Score: 14 X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.4 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.10 / 15.00]; FAKE_REPLY(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.96)[0.961]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.93)[-0.931]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; R_MISSING_CHARSET(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.43)[-0.430]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[nxg.name:s=mythic-beasts-k1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[2a00:1098:0:82:1000:0:2:1:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1098:0:82:1000:0:2:0/112]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.20)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[nxg.name]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-tex@FreeBSD.org]; ASN(0.00)[asn:44684, ipnet:2a00:1098::/32, country:GB]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[nxg.name:+]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4blKFP4G4Vz3SDT X-Spamd-Bar: / Hello, all, Jumping in here, after seeing Pamela's report of the issue on the TeXLive= list. Moin Rahman mentioned: > However although upstream mentions that using latest package it's easie= r > said than done. The way CTAN packages are released with no specific > version info in the dist file it is not easy to port/package a CTAN > package. As the upstream might change the upstream distfile while we > are not aware the version has changed and our build system will fail > because the checksums will no longer match. Because the file name is > always the same. Due to this reason we actually package/update tex > related ports only once a year when texlive releases their yearly > release. The TeXLive upstream distribution is certainly tricky to package, but I d= on't think the current FreeBSD package is doing quite the right thing her= e. The way things have turned out, it looks like the pdflatex command in the= path invokes a pre-release (ie, testing/dev only) version of the program= =2E I think that goes against the intentions of the upstream package, ev= en in the 'latest' version of the ports tree. As you note, Moin, TeXLive makes its releases once a year, usually May/Ju= ne, with a code freeze around April (IIRC) but a fairly flexible schedule= for testing, and a flexible target release date. It may be that that pr= ocess hadn't completed when the FreeBSD packaging was done, this year. I'm only a spectator there, but my impression is that the single annual '= official' release is the only recommended one, and it's intended to be co= mplete as-is (ie, it's rather FreeBSD-like in its distribution goals!). = TeXLive says, of their release: > The set of packages and programs that were included in the official rel= ease will most likely suffice unless you know that you specifically need = updates made since then. That set is also the only one which gets tested = as a coherent release. Thus (if I follow what's happening) it's probably not necessary for the F= reeBSD process to interact with CTAN at all, but just include whatever sn= apshot of it is in the annual TeXLive release. If particularly intereste= d users want to update their installation between releases, with tlmgr, t= hey can do so locally, but I don't think the ports tree has to care about= that at all. You'll probably have seen [1]. The link there to the FreeBSD port [2] in= cludes mention of 'texlive-base-20250308_2', which might be just _before_= the actual release. For what it's worth, the various Linux packagings of TeXLive also have th= eir troubles. I help manage a number of Linux boxes, and as part of the = provisioning process there we choose to install the upstream TeXLive dist= ro rather than use the Linux distro's package of it, because the latter a= lways seems to have _some_ annoying glitch. Best wishes, Norman [1] https://tug.org/texlive/distro.html [2] https://ports.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi?query=3Dtexlive&stype=3Dall -- = Norman Gray : https://nxg.me.uk