Re: PKGBASE upgrade from ALPHAxx to BETAxx

Reply: Mark Millard : "Re: PKGBASE upgrade from ALPHAxx to BETAxx"
In reply to: Mark Millard : "Re: PKGBASE upgrade from ALPHAxx to BETAxx"
Go to: [ bottom of page ] [ top of archives ] [ this month ]
From: Erichans <erichanskrs_at_gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2025 11:41:50 UTC
Thank you. You're running a normal pkg version, which is good to know—it could
have been a development version, considering you're on FreeBSD 16.
I wasn't sure whether posting results from running -CURRENT on the
stable mailing list was intentional.

I’m aware there are substantial differences between your environment
and mine—one being that you're running pkg on the armv7 architecture.
I'm not intimately familiar with all the differences between a packaged base
and a conventional base.

Regarding 15.0-BETA1 and the oddity you mentioned, I’ve encountered similar
issues—see PR 289216 and PR 289455—all on release versions. Things don’t seem
to have changed. For example, on my 15.0-BETA1 a disabled FreeBSD-ports-kmods
repository is unexpectedly not printed by pkg repositories or similar
pkg -vv command,
which seems in line with your findings:

[0-0] % date -u; uname -apKU; pkg -v
Sat Oct 18 11:40:49 UTC 2025
FreeBSD q210 15.0-BETA1 FreeBSD 15.0-BETA1
releng/15.0-n280674-f6751f1fc5a9 GENERIC amd64 amd64 1500067 1500067
2.3.1
[1-0] % grep -h '^[^#].*' /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/*conf
FreeBSD-ports: {
    url:            "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/latest",
    enabled:        yes,
    priority:       0,
    mirror_type:    "SRV",
    signature_type: "FINGERPRINTS",
    fingerprints:   "/usr/share/keys/pkg"
}
FreeBSD-ports-kmods: {
    url:
"pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/kmods_latest_${VERSION_MINOR}",
    enabled:        no,
    priority:       0,
    mirror_type:    "SRV",
    signature_type: "FINGERPRINTS",
    fingerprints:   "/usr/share/keys/pkg"
}
FreeBSD-base: {
  url: "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/base_release_${VERSION_MINOR}",
  mirror_type: "srv",
  signature_type: "fingerprints",
  fingerprints: "/usr/share/keys/pkg",
  enabled: yes
}
[2-0] % pkg -vv | sed -nE -e '/OSVERSION|ABI/ p' -e '/^Repositories:/,$ p'
IGNORE_OSVERSION = true;
ABI = "FreeBSD:15:amd64";
ALTABI = "freebsd:15:x86:64";
OSVERSION = "1500067";
Repositories:
  FreeBSD-ports: {
    url             : "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:15:amd64/latest",
    enabled         : yes,
    priority        : 0,
    mirror_type     : "SRV",
    signature_type  : "FINGERPRINTS",
    fingerprints    : "/usr/share/keys/pkg"
  }
  FreeBSD-base: {
    url             :
"pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:15:amd64/base_release_0",
    enabled         : yes,
    priority        : 0,
    mirror_type     : "SRV",
    signature_type  : "FINGERPRINTS",
    fingerprints    : "/usr/share/keys/pkg"
  }
[3-0] % pkg repositories -d -e
FreeBSD-ports: {
    url             : "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:15:amd64/latest",
    enabled         : yes,
    priority        : 0,
    mirror_type     : "SRV",
    signature_type  : "FINGERPRINTS",
    fingerprints    : "/usr/share/keys/pkg"
  }
FreeBSD-base: {
    url             :
"pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:15:amd64/base_release_0",
    enabled         : yes,
    priority        : 0,
    mirror_type     : "SRV",
    signature_type  : "FINGERPRINTS",
    fingerprints    : "/usr/share/keys/pkg"
  }
[4-0] %


Eric

On Fri, Oct 17, 2025 at 3:17 PM Mark Millard <marklmi@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> On Oct 17, 2025, at 03:24, Erichans <erichanskrs@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I cannot reproduce your behaviour on my BETA1.
> > What pkg are you running?
>
> # pkg -v
> 2.3.1
>
> > As a comparison, on 15-BETA1 (amd64, pkgbasified),
>
> Reminder: this report was for a non-pkgbasified context doing
> operations that do not install/upgrade or the like, just
> rquery, search, and version.
>
> (I sent a separate notice to the lists for another oddity
> for a pkgbase'd context and that got an independent
> confirmation. Turns out that oddity also happened here.
> More later below.)
>
> > all seems as
> > expected; see below.
>
> In a different type of context than I tested and reported
> on.
>
> > Eric
> >
> > [0-0] # date -u; uname -apKU; pkg -v
> > Fri Oct 17 09:45:53 UTC 2025
> > FreeBSD q210 15.0-BETA1 FreeBSD 15.0-BETA1
> > releng/15.0-n280655-36a923a476dc GENERIC amd64 amd64 1500067 1500067
> > 2.3.1
> > [1-0] # pkg repos -e -d
> > FreeBSD-ports: {
> > url : "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:15:amd64/latest",
> > enabled : yes,
> > priority : 0,
> > mirror_type : "SRV",
> > signature_type : "FINGERPRINTS",
> > fingerprints : "/usr/share/keys/pkg"
> > }
>
> My context has a locally built ports repository
> enabled (main-armv7-default), not FreeBSD-ports.
> But FreeBSD-ports is explicitly disabled.
>
> I do have packages from main-armv7-default installed,
> including pkg itself:
>
> # pkg info pkg
> pkg: Warning: Major OS version upgrade detected.  Running "pkg bootstrap -f" recommended
> pkg-2.3.1
> Name           : pkg
> Version        : 2.3.1
> Installed on   : Wed Oct 15 21:24:37 2025 PDT
> Origin         : ports-mgmt/pkg
> Architecture   : FreeBSD:16:armv7
> Prefix         : /usr/local
> Categories     : ports-mgmt
> Licenses       : BSD2CLAUSE
> Maintainer     : pkg@FreeBSD.org
> WWW            : https://github.com/freebsd/pkg
> Comment        : Package manager
> Options        :
>         DOCS           : on
> Shared Libs required:
>         libarchive.so.7
>         libc.so.7
>         libcrypto.so.35
>         libelf.so.2
>         libgcc_s.so.1
>         libjail.so.1
>         libm.so.5
>         libssl.so.35
>         libthr.so.3
>         libutil.so.10
>         libz.so.6
> Shared Libs provided:
>         libpkg.so.4
> Annotations    :
>         FreeBSD_version: 1600000
>         build_timestamp: 2025-09-14T00:45:39+00:00
>         built_by       : poudriere-git-3.4.99.20250724
>         port_checkout_unclean: no
>         port_git_hash  : e8009782a2b6
>         ports_top_checkout_unclean: yes
>         ports_top_git_hash: 7e86a0d71167
>         repo_type      : binary
>         repository     : main-armv7-default
> Flat size      : 45.2MiB
> Description    :
> Package management tool
>
> > FreeBSD-ports-kmods: {
> > url : "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:15:amd64/kmods_latest_0",
> > enabled : yes,
> > priority : 0,
> > mirror_type : "SRV",
> > signature_type : "FINGERPRINTS",
> > fingerprints : "/usr/share/keys/pkg"
> > }
>
> My context has has nothing analogous to
> FreeBSD-ports-kmods enabled but instead
> explicitly disables it (and FreeBSD-ports):
>
> # cat /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf
> #
> # To disable a repository, instead of modifying or removing this file,
> # create a /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf file, e.g.:
> #
> #   mkdir -p /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos
> #   echo "FreeBSD-ports: { enabled: no }" > /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf
> #   echo "FreeBSD-ports-kmods: { enabled: no }" >> /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf
> #
>
> FreeBSD-base: {
>   url: "pkg+http://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/base_latest",
>   mirror_type: "srv",
>   signature_type: "fingerprints",
>   fingerprints: "/usr/share/keys/pkg",
>   enabled: no
> }
>
> FreeBSD-ports: {
>   url: "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/latest",
>   mirror_type: "srv",
>   signature_type: "fingerprints",
>   fingerprints: "/usr/share/keys/pkg",
>   enabled: yes
> }
> FreeBSD-ports-kmods: {
>   url: "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/kmods_latest",
>   mirror_type: "srv",
>   signature_type: "fingerprints",
>   fingerprints: "/usr/share/keys/pkg",
>   enabled: yes
> }
>
> # cat /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf
> #
> # To disable a repository, instead of modifying or removing this file,
> # create a /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf file, e.g.:
> #
> #   mkdir -p /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos
> #   echo "FreeBSD-ports: { enabled: no }" > /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf
> #   echo "FreeBSD-ports-kmods: { enabled: no }" >> /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf
> #
>
> #FreeBSD-base: { enabled: yes }
> FreeBSD-ports: { enabled: no }
> FreeBSD-ports-kmods: { enabled: no }
>
>
> Noteably, "pkg repos" does not list the
> FreeBSD-ports-kmods at all (as either -d or -e).
> I preprduced this in a pkgbase context and is
> what I reported separately for that context.
>
>
> # cat /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/main-armv7-default.conf
> main-armv7-default: {
>   url: "file:///usr/local/poudriere/data/packages/main-armv7-default",
>   mirror_type: "none",
>   enabled: yes
> }
>
> > FreeBSD-base: {
> > url : "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:15:amd64/base_release_0",
> > enabled : no,
> > priority : 0,
> > mirror_type : "SRV",
> > signature_type : "FINGERPRINTS",
> > fingerprints : "/usr/share/keys/pkg"
> > }
>
> This one is analogous to what I reported, but I have
> base_latest instead of base_release_0 .
>
> > [2-0] # pkg rquery -r FreeBSD-base '%R %o %n %v' FreeBSD-src
> > FreeBSD-base base/FreeBSD-src FreeBSD-src 15.0.b1.20251016034928
> > [3-0] # pkg update -r FreeBSD-base
> > Updating FreeBSD-base repository catalogue...
> > FreeBSD-base is up to date.
> > [4-0] # pkg rquery -r FreeBSD-base '%R %o %n %v' FreeBSD-src
> > FreeBSD-base base/FreeBSD-src FreeBSD-src 15.0.b1.20251016034928
> > [5-0] # pkg search -r FreeBSD-base FreeBSD-src
> > FreeBSD-src-15.0.b1.20251016034928 System userland source code
> > FreeBSD-src-sys-15.0.b1.20251015211959 System kernel source code
> > [6-0] # pkg version -r FreeBSD-base -n FreeBSD-src
> > Updating FreeBSD-base repository catalogue...
> > FreeBSD-base is up to date.
> > FreeBSD-src-15.0.b1.20251016034928 =
> > [7-0] #
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mark Millard" <marklmi@yahoo.com>
> > To: "Colin Percival" <cperciva@tarsnap.com>
> > Cc: "Patrick M. Hausen" <hausen@punkt.de>, "FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing
> > List" <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, 16 October, 2025 23:16:53
> > Subject: Re: PKGBASE upgrade from ALPHAxx to BETAxx
> >
> > On Oct 16, 2025, at 11:55, Mark Millard <marklmi@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Oct 16, 2025, at 11:04, Colin Percival <cperciva@tarsnap.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 10/16/25 10:49, Patrick M. Hausen wrote:
> >>>>> Am 16.10.2025 um 19:44 schrieb Mark Millard <marklmi@yahoo.com>:
> >>>>> To my knowledge, /etc/pkg/ only has files that are expected to
> >>>>> apply to all systems, no matter how installed/updated. Also,
> >>>>> the files in /etc/pkg/ are expected to not be edited. The
> >>>>> overriding text goes in files in /usr/local/etc/pkg/respos/
> >>>>> instead. (Technically such are conventions, not requirements,
> >>>>> but they fit with FreeBSD update processes in a particular way.)
> >>>> I follow that argument.
> >>>> But isn't pkgbase supposed to be the new normal starting with 15.0?
> >>>> Sorry for the noise if I confused that. Then it will land in /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf in 16?
> >>>
> >>> I'm planning on putting a "FreeBSD-base" repository configuration into
> >>> /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf in 15.
> >>> . . .
> >>> It will be disabled by default, in order
> >>> to avoid "pkg delete -af" problems, but "pkg upgrade -r FreeBSD-base"
> >>> should work out of the box.
> >>
> >> Had I known such, various of my testing activities would
> >> have been different.
> >>
> >> Looks like commands that handle the explicit reference to
> >> a disabled repository are documented as including:
> >>
> >> /usr/local/share/man/man8/pkg-install.8.gz: Install packages from only the named repository, irrespective
> >> /usr/local/share/man/man8/pkg-rquery.8.gz: irrespective of the configured “enabled” status from repo.conf.
> >> /usr/local/share/man/man8/pkg-search.8.gz: irrespective of the configured “enabled” status from
> >> /usr/local/share/man/man8/pkg-update.8.gz: update only the named repository, irrespective of the configured
> >> /usr/local/share/man/man8/pkg-upgrade.8.gz: Install packages from only the named repository, irrespective
> >> /usr/local/share/man/man8/pkg-version.8.gz: the named repository only, irrespective of the configured
> >>
> >> Later I'll do some exploration of that.
> >>
> >> I'll note that "man pkg-fetch" does not say that it does such:
> >>
> >> -r reponame, --repository reponame
> >> Fetches packages from the given reponame if multiple repo
> >> support is enabled. See pkg.conf(5).
> >>
> >>> The reasons this hasn't happened yet have to do with release engineering
> >>> processes and setting up the systems for building updates securely.
> >
> > rquery, search, and version to not manipulate the
> > sets of base or port packages, so testing those
> > but being will to use "pkg update" . . .
> >
> > Hmm. "pkg rquery" and "pkg search" and "pkg version"
> > do not seem to work as described. The context here is
> > a USB media with an armv7 snapshot image based temporary
> > system, not something that is (yet?) a pkgbase'd
> > nstallation. I added the disabled FreeBSD-base and have
> > a enabled local port-package repository.
>
> Above is where I indicated that the context was
> "not something that is (yet?) a pkgbase'd
> [i]nstallation". (It is still not pkgbased.)
>
> > https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:16:armv7/base_latest/
> >
> > is populated, as is base_weekly/ . But latest/ and
> > quarterly/ and the rest are not yet.
> >
> > # uname -apKU
> > FreeBSD RPi2Bv1p1 16.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 16.0-CURRENT #0
> > main-n281019-0dc634d48fcc: Fri Oct 10 00:15:55 UTC 2025
> > root@releng3.nyi.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/arm.armv7/sys/GENERIC
> > arm armv7 1600001 1600001
> >
> > # pkg repos -e
> > pkg: Warning: Major OS version upgrade detected. Running "pkg
> > bootstrap -f" recommended
> > main-armv7-default: {
> > url : "file:///usr/local/poudriere/data/packages/main-armv7-default",
> > enabled : yes,
> > priority : 0
> > }
> >
> > # pkg repos -d
> > pkg: Warning: Major OS version upgrade detected. Running "pkg
> > bootstrap -f" recommended
> > FreeBSD-base: {
> > url : "pkg+http://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:16:armv7/base_latest",
> > enabled : no,
> > priority : 0,
> > mirror_type : "SRV",
> > signature_type : "FINGERPRINTS",
> > fingerprints : "/usr/share/keys/pkg"
> > }
> >
> > # whoami
> > root
> >
> >
> > # pkg rquery -r FreeBSD-base %n-%v FreeBSD-src
> > pkg: Warning: Major OS version upgrade detected. Running "pkg
> > bootstrap -f" recommended
> > pkg: Repository FreeBSD-base cannot be opened. 'pkg update' required
> >
> > # pkg update -r FreeBSD-base
> > pkg: Warning: Major OS version upgrade detected. Running "pkg
> > bootstrap -f" recommended
> > Updating FreeBSD-base repository catalogue...
> > FreeBSD-base is up to date.
> >
> > # pkg rquery -r FreeBSD-base %n-%v FreeBSD-src
> > pkg: Warning: Major OS version upgrade detected. Running "pkg
> > bootstrap -f" recommended
> > pkg: Repository FreeBSD-base cannot be opened. 'pkg update' required
> >
> > # pkg search -r FreeBSD-base FreeBSD-src
> > pkg: Warning: Major OS version upgrade detected. Running "pkg
> > bootstrap -f" recommended
> > pkg: Repository FreeBSD-base cannot be opened. 'pkg update' required
> >
> > # pkg version -r FreeBSD-base -n FreeBSD-src
> > pkg: Warning: Major OS version upgrade detected. Running "pkg
> > bootstrap -f" recommended
> > Updating FreeBSD-base repository catalogue...
> > FreeBSD-base is up to date.
> > pkg: Repository FreeBSD-base cannot be opened. 'pkg update' required
> >
> >
> > But, for example, . . .
> >
> > # man pkg-rquery
> > PKG-RQUERY(8) FreeBSD System Manager's Manual PKG-RQUERY(8)
> >
> > NAME
> > pkg rquery – query information from remote repositories
> >
> > SYNOPSIS
> > pkg rquery -I|query-format pkg-name
> > pkg rquery [-aU] [-r reponame] -I|query-format
> > pkg rquery [-U] [-Cgix] [-e evaluation-condition] [-r reponame]
> > -I|query-format pattern ...
> >
> > . . .
> >
> > OPTIONS
> > The following options are supported by pkg rquery:
> >
> > . . .
> >
> > -r reponame, --repository reponame
> > Query for data about packages from only the named repository,
> > irrespective of the configured “enabled” status from repo.conf.
> > By default, catalogues for all enabled repositories are queried.
> >
> > . . .
> >
> >
> >
> > So, the above behavior is not obvious to me from
> > the documentation.
> >
>
>
> ===
> Mark Millard
> marklmi at yahoo.com
>