Re: PKGBASE Removes FreeBSD Base System Feature

On Fri, 8 Aug 2025 10:53:57 -0400
Karl Denninger <karl@denninger.net> wrote:

> On 8/8/2025 10:48 AM, Daniel Morante wrote:
> >> In this particular case, while someone might
> >> indeed be astonished that "forcibly delete everything" deletes 
> >> everything,
> >> someone else could well be astonished if "pkg delete -f clang" 
> >> doesn't in
> >> fact delete clang. 
> > I'm from the group of people that believes if you ask a computer to do 
> > something, no matter what that thing is (even if it's destructive and 
> > dangerous) the computer should do it.  There is nothing that I hate 
> > more than someone else deciding what I can and can not do with my 
> > computer.  FreeBSD is one of the few remaining operating systems that 
> > retains this freedom.
> >
> > The problem isn't the action of deleting all your base packages. The 
> > problem is the fact that this was designed in such a way where we are 
> > having this conversation.
> >
> > This needs to be re-designed with user experience and FreeBSD 
> > philosophy in mind.  In a previous reply I had suggested a isolated 
> > tool called 'freebsd-setup' which would be a merged/renamed/refactored 
> > version of 'bsdinsall' and 'freebsd-update'.  The two package systems 
> > should never cross paths.  'pkg' is the software management tool for 
> > the userland and that's what the user interacts with regularly.  
> > 'freebsd-setup' is the tool you bring out when you need to manage 
> > FreeBSD.
> 
> How much of this angst originally was driven by the mess that is 
> drm-kmod (and related blobs for other devices than display adapters) -- 
> and thus perhaps thus the "better answer" is to put that stuff back 
> where it belongs (which isn't in pkg/ports since the cross-dependencies 
> are in the *kernel*, not user space.)

For drm-*-kmod, isn't it the license issue (at least partially GPLv2)
which avoids it from getting it back to base?

  https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/tree/graphics/drm-61-kmod/Makefile#n12

Another aspect would be the "frequent updates", though.

  https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/log/graphics/drm-61-kmod


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