From nobody Wed Nov 15 04:52:31 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SVW4M0blbz50p6Z; Wed, 15 Nov 2023 04:52:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [96.47.72.132]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "freefall.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SVW4M06Lvz4pRT; Wed, 15 Nov 2023 04:52:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1700023955; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=mX4GQf6FmvbBRuMX+aZI1rFBmzbcHYQQnSk1dJPRaJg=; b=d04La5ESRXq9JReFvdaQ2e1Xq+tjc3I19rx3vjZ1yN7mE0teWdczJBENPVefMiz6vum/f8 XguGwJAKfNBp459ID1ZsXAmtdVlxe7A7fWKvgBuCuGmlQ6ZoWcE6AxJIJ0dsB3XjBI7nmX 7HkEnjajwkT3lkfGK3+4tBUmjSBvlRhAkZbX1bRRzC+vNPYAE3KOUsrwUrowQYMfSsVj/8 a8DlPJBZpMFO3a0ZB/oMF+VMaJz2t0Wqr51PvMhpO6odE4DtRq1G2VsT+sGNQcM0eGclP1 EMiqYq4Wgd7ZHzdir3XYFNdTZPBz3aHlLVyrej3Q976FAtTczMMkmg3f/trbbg== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1700023955; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=mX4GQf6FmvbBRuMX+aZI1rFBmzbcHYQQnSk1dJPRaJg=; b=SooxsbdLaMJfs5OqgjvxZ1mHG6AWDdeLNgXtjp6LGl/0lLtM8jvRAVmbb25cphkI1JH773 pirPABEhJjEeBOAKqlUdWxDK1uzhCEjC8bBgaxUhGPSEO3tSYKbJnjy41dLiD4Iw9q5OAY 3gs3yM65AvICX5kxCTK0Hu5FDA/fO9Pjhla4uVQm5dzLDinf8WPnzHrEw3k2REn/zw5cgy IvIR4qg+qTYK7oH39/L2Ui1zgviN46TUnWTj6nTM0rjxdlh4rEHHUhUB2pVOgaLhTbuo+t w6YbIh3CGV+4P8Gb4f3m9je+2iDrMhq9f2OmRuVBinvYG+Em1o8AJW1RlC2exg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1700023955; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=hmmdVvkb6C9Ad9Au+C6kp9wCGFEsJaxnujjT652uV23jzRaxhyI68V7uAIIaPpoDlK5Gex iGXbwtE+OlqPueIw7vmS/8MOgu5c3bXs/s6JwMiHlgcy/mtBM600Mq9KxXDSkOIlyGlgHD BVokD71KIBORBkG8K7i5qctdoctcTq9bPT6z3iP/vW/26fjN4eyAdUSR98OZjXrsv0Yat6 5zbA4+KcatsWyyDwUd/NbYmgDurIAl1nVd9vIrkb1s1I81I8G7138gyCHpuAEyi1+2QhCX stDixy6S+cPPfGb7s7xgfxMX1kLvP3poH69ypf0MJnq2znh5dZhtnZThS5Yegg== Received: from FreeBSD.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:6074::16:84]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C54413660; Wed, 15 Nov 2023 04:52:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@freebsd.org) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2023 04:52:31 +0000 From: Glen Barber To: The Doctor Cc: FreeBSD Release Engineering Team , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule Message-ID: <20231115045231.GN1307@FreeBSD.org> References: <20231114203654.GB52320@FreeBSD.org> <20231115022701.GM1307@FreeBSD.org> List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="OmEpep6L+R/25PJj" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: --OmEpep6L+R/25PJj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 08:10:23PM -0700, The Doctor wrote: > On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 02:27:01AM +0000, Glen Barber wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 05:15:48PM -0700, The Doctor wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 08:36:54PM +0000, Glen Barber wrote: > > > > We are still waiting for a few (non-critical) things to complete be= fore > > > > the announcement of 14.0-RELEASE will be ready. > > > >=20 > > > > It should only be another day or so before these things complete. > > > >=20 > > > > Thank you for your understanding. > > > > > > >=20 > > > I always just installed my copy. > > >=20 > >=20 > > Ok. I do not know what exactly is your point, but releases are never > > official until there is a PGP-signed email sent. The email is intended > > for the general public of consumers of official releases, not "yeah, > > but"s. > > >=20 > Howver if you do a freebsd-update upgrade, you can upgrade. >=20 > Is that suppose to happen? >=20 That does not say that the freebsd-update bits will not change *until* the official release announcement has been sent. In my past 15 years involved in the Project, I think we have been very clear on that. A RELEASE IS NOT FINAL UNTIL THE PGP-SIGNED ANNOUNCEMENT IS SENT. I mean, c'mon, dude. We really, seriously, for all intents and purposes, cannot be any more clear than that. So, yes, *IF* an update necessitates a new freebsd-update build, what you are running is *NOT* official. For at least 15 years, we have all said the same entire thing. 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