From nobody Thu Feb 09 02:24:14 2023 X-Original-To: stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4PC1064w34z3nmF6 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2023 02:24:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from land.berklix.org (land.berklix.org [144.76.10.75]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "land.berklix.org", Issuer "land.berklix.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4PC1053p45z3FWj for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2023 02:24:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jhs@berklix.com has no SPF policy when checking 144.76.10.75) smtp.mailfrom=jhs@berklix.com; dmarc=none Received: from dell.no.berklix.net (p4fc4c2e9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [79.196.194.233]) (authenticated bits=128) by land.berklix.org (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 3192OJMA046818 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2023 02:24:19 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from dell.no.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dell.no.berklix.net (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 3192OEAb077156 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2023 03:24:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@dell.no.berklix.net) Received: (from jhs@localhost) by dell.no.berklix.net (8.16.1/8.14.5/Submit) id 3192OEta077155; Thu, 9 Feb 2023 03:24:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs) Message-Id: <202302090224.3192OEta077155@dell.no.berklix.net> To: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Grep with non-ascii From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com/jhs/ User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.eu/free/ X-From: http://www.berklix.eu/~jhs/ List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <77153.1675909454.1@dell.no.berklix.net> Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2023 03:24:14 +0100 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.09 / 15.00]; FAKE_REPLY(1.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.992]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[berklix.com]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[stable@FreeBSD.org]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:144.76.0.0/16, country:DE]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[jhs]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[stable@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4PC1053p45z3FWj X-Spamd-Bar: - X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N > The one positive development in the world of computing that I would > credit to Java is the earliest big push toward the adoption of UTF-8. > I strongly hope UTF-8 becomes universally used sooner rather than > later. -- George No idea What might be best for Arabic, Greek, Japanese etc: But For international English (& Italian where English font started) it's wrong to expect masses of people OK with Ascii, to waste time extending / learning / configuring tools for un-necessary UTF. Bad enough were single bytes above 0x7f for European accents (eg umlauts etc) that ignored conventions eg Ae Oe Ue (& SS = sharf ess since dumped in .de). USD GBP EUR avoid dodgey currency symbols `$` & `#` etc. UTF & HTML & MIME base 64 make spam filtering via procmail a nightmare. UTF is a spam indicator, most auto discarded here. ports/textproc/mgdiff was last to break here, Umlauts changed to Ascii, better than changing mgdiff. Cheers, -- Julian Stacey www.StolenVotes.UK/jhs/ Arm Ukraine, Zap Putin. Brexit broke UK