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Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.70 / 15.00]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.996]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.993]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.61)[-0.610]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[skunkwerks.at,reject]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:103.168.172.128/27]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[skunkwerks.at:s=fm3,messagingengine.com:s=fm2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[103.168.172.156:from]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[messagingengine.com:dkim]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:151847, ipnet:103.168.172.0/24, country:AU]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[dch]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[skunkwerks.at:+,messagingengine.com:+] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4bjPkx1gdsz43j9 X-Spamd-Bar: / On Tue, 15 Jul 2025, at 12:46, Polarian wrote: > the average person would use. I do not use Matrix (and do not wish to) > which is often seen as a mid-ground between the "old" protocols and the > "new" platforms. > > So I am open to advice, or anyone who would like to support. Every politician tells you that you need to meet people where they *are*, not where you want them to be. You need to weigh up 2 mostly opposing forces: - your ethics on supporting privacy-centric platforms - your desire to build up a community who uses other platforms If you want to start a community group, you (or somebody else in the kernel that launches this group), will need to be willing to evangelise from those networks. You may find that https://docs.mobilizon.org/about/ or bonfire https://github.com/bonfire-networks/bonfire-app may give you the technical functionality you're looking for, but you'll still need to figure out how to build the bridge to get the word out. A+ Dave