From nobody Sat Feb 15 08:47:50 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Yw2cg00lSz5nDms for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2025 08:48:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from mail.sermon-archive.info (sermon-archive.info [47.181.130.121]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Yw2cf52DFz3H3N; Sat, 15 Feb 2025 08:48:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [10.0.1.251]) by mail.sermon-archive.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4Yw2cd13Zfz2gFCv; Sat, 15 Feb 2025 00:48:01 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.400.131.1.6\)) Subject: Re: apple prevented freebsd on apple hardware? From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 00:47:50 -0800 Cc: Mayuresh Kathe , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <18FF8618-A12F-418A-9460-111643D0F26D@sermon-archive.info> References: <202502140832.51E8WigX022745@sdf.org> To: Greg 'groggy' Lehey X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.400.131.1.6) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 1.4.2 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Yw2cf52DFz3H3N X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5650, ipnet:47.181.128.0/18, country:US] > On Feb 14, 2025, at 16:53, Greg 'groggy' Lehey = wrote: >=20 > On Friday, 14 February 2025 at 8:32:44 +0000, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: >> is it true that apple issued a veiled threat to freebsd to prevent >> a port to apple hardware? >=20 > To the best of my knowledge, no. FreeBSD does not run on Apple > hardware, because that's not our emphasis, but NetBSD does. >=20 > I do recall some contact from Apple decades ago. My memory is hazy, > but I think they were asking us not to include a port that replicated > Apple's GUI look and feel. It seems that they were more generally > successful there, since I'm not aware of any such port any more. >=20 I have been running FreeBSD on Apple Mini's and desktops for years. = However, recently the newest units include that Microsoft restricted = boot that won't boot anything that isn't signed by Apple. That can be = turned off, but it is a PITA. My current Mini servers are between 10 = and 13 years old. While they are still running just fine, I am starting = to replace them with Raspberry Pi 5's. =20 -- Doug