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RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Wk56b4Dxcz4HtM --000000000000930448061f97ce78 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 1:28=E2=80=AFPM Alexander Burke = wrote: > If I wanted to be forced to build everything from source, I'd run Gentoo. > > As a donor to the project, it grieves me to say that the lack of > non-outdated packages for tier-1 desktop applications excludes FreeBSD as= a > bona fide desktop OS. > > It's a shame. > Non-outdated packages? I run 14.1 on my server and all packages are usually updated at least every other day. Packages are normally built on Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, and Sunday. A full build of all packages takes about 40 hours, though distribution of packages to global mirrors can take as much as two added days. Most builds take less than a day and another day to distribute. That is a LOT more current than packages on Mint. Of course, that means using LATEST packages. QUARTERLY is updated the first day of every quarter, so can get behind by a few months. It's up to you to decide which to use. The base ports which are used to build the packages are a bigger problem, but things like compilers (llvm/gcc/electron/ and major ports like chromium (and related ones like ungoogled Chromium) and firefox are seldom more than a week behind and are sometime in ports before the official release, also better than Mint. Graphics and other ports that a hardware coupled do lag, mostly due to lack of manpower familiar enough with the hardware to maintain quickly can make updates slow. I'll admit that I don't know exactly what counts as a Tier-1 desktop application. --=20 Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683 --000000000000930448061f97ce78 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 1:28=E2= =80=AFPM Alexander Burke <alex@alex= burke.ca> wrote:
If I wanted to be forced to build ever= ything from source, I'd run Gentoo.

As a donor to the project, it grieves me to say that the lack of non-outdat= ed packages for tier-1 desktop applications excludes FreeBSD as a bona fide= desktop OS.

It's a shame.

= Non-outdated packages? I run 14.1 on my server and all packages are usually= updated at least every other day. Packages are normally built on Tuesday, = Thursday, Saturday, and Sunday. A full build of all packages takes about 40= hours, though distribution of packages to global mirrors can take as much = as two added days. Most builds take less than a day and another day to dist= ribute. That is a LOT more current than packages on Mint. Of course, that m= eans using LATEST packages. QUARTERLY is updated the first day of every qua= rter, so can get behind by a few months. It's up to you to decide which= to use.

The base ports which are used t= o build the packages are a bigger problem, but things like compilers (llvm/= gcc/electron/ and major ports like chromium (and related ones like ungoogle= d Chromium) and firefox are seldom more than a week behind and are sometime= in ports before the official release, also better than Mint. Graphics and = other ports that a hardware coupled do lag, mostly due to lack of manpower = familiar enough with the hardware to maintain quickly can make updates slow= .

I'll admit that I don't know= exactly what counts as a Tier-1 desktop application.
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Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Netw= ork Engineer
E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com
PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3= B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683
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