Re: concerns about install freebsd

On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 11:34:59AM +0530, jian he wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 12:16 AM Tomek CEDRO <tomek@cedro.info> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 8:08 PM jian he wrote:
> > > I asked the question about "freebsd graphic text editor". The question
> > is stupid.
> >
> > No stupid questions, just stupid answers :-)
> >
> > Long story short, FreeBSD is Unix, but this is not a Linux, its a
> > different operating system with different kernel and applications are
> > not really one-to-one compatible from a binary standpoint.. however
> > FreeBSD can emulate Linux ELF binaries and when all other dependencies
> > are met Linux application binaries can work on FreeBSD.
> >
> > The biggest difference is in philosophy and approach to changes and
> > long term maintenance. Linux is an example of "Enforced Changes"^TM
> > ideology even when that makes it self-incompatible in short and long
> > term. Linux also does not conform to standards as much as FreeBSD (and
> > other BSD) does, usually you will notice things stop working in Linux
> > after update, there are compatibility problems between different
> > versions of the same Linux distributions, etc, etc. FreeBSD on the
> > other hand comes from Unix and is created by people who actually use
> > it themselves in serious commercial applications that must be
> > maintainable in a long periods of time.
> >
> > The difference between Linux and BSD can be easily noticed in the
> > product that they power: Linux -> Google Android (constant changes,
> > updates, every Android is different), BSD -> iOS (looks and works the
> > same on different devices, mostly focused on the result of the person
> > using it).
> >
> > Some people prefer BSD some people prefer Linux. "Apples and
> > Oranges"^TM but you should use both to make conscious decision and
> > know exactly why. Some people even use both Linux and BSD depending on
> > the task.
> >
> >
> > > The real questions for me(don't want waste too much time on install)
> > would be:
> > > I already installed linux, any external pan drive needs to install
> > freebsd?
> >
> > In the first step just create a VirtualBox machine, install it, create
> > a snapshot, and see how this works. If anything goes wrong you can
> > simply rollback a snapshot and you will not loose any real data.
> >
> >
> > >  Can I install linux and freebsd in the same machine (I think it's intel
> > x86 architecture)? If so, can I switch it easily, just use the shortcut key
> > then switch to another system.
> >
> > Yes, you can use them on a separate disks, you can use all of them on one
> > disk.
> >
> >
> > >  How long does it take to install freebsd(all settings default, ignore
> > internet speed) (I like to first make it work, then try to understand the
> > system internals).
> >
> > At first you install "The Base System" so it is common starting point
> > for everyone. Going from that you can install whatever you need by
> > using `pkg` program or the source tree of the all available packages
> > you can choose from located at `/usr/ports` called "The FreeBSD
> > Ports".
> >
> >
> > > If all things are pretty easy to set, can you give an authoritative
> > video link? (in case I fail, I can follow through) I know there are many
> > youtube tutorials, but I obviously don't know which one is right.
> >
> > There is a great book and its called "The FreeBSD Handbook" all
> > information should be there:
> >
> > https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/
> >
> >
> > Keep in mind that the BSD Unix systems is mostly for the advanced and
> > aware users. You start from a base system that you can customize to be
> > a network router, network server, application server, desktop
> > workstation, dedicated embedded system, etc, but you will have do to
> > it yourself. There is no "one click to fit everyone" approach in
> > FreeBSD.
> >
> > If you want to try out the BSD from a pendrive with already
> > preinstalled Xorg + Window Manager you may also want to try NomadBSD
> > (that is using FreeBSD base):
> >
> > https://nomadbsd.org/
> >
> > Virtual Machine seems to be the best way to safely play and try out
> > various things safely.
> >
> > Have fun! :-)
> >
> > --
> > CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info
> >
> 
> I successfully installed oracle virtualbox.
> Then landed on this site:
> https://freebsdfoundation.org/freebsd-project/resourcesold/installing-freebsd-with-virtualbox/
> then I choose 13.1:
> https://download.freebsd.org/releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/13.1/
> 
> Now, which one should I choose: bootonly.iso or disc.iso or dvd1.iso?

A short quote from the page you're reading:

        For Virtual Machines, the format you are looking for is the file
        ending in -disk.iso as shown abovew. Click this file and it will
        start downloading the installer.

-- 
Andreas (Kusalananda) Kähäri
SciLifeLab, NBIS, ICM
Uppsala University, Sweden

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