Re: pkg upgrade vs building from source

On 08/10/2022 16:35, paul beard wrote:
> My skepticism over pkg doing what I expect grows after recent events. 
> I decided after I rebuilt this freebsd instance that I would say 
> goodbye to installing from source and allow pkg to manage it all. 
> Surely by now, it's mature enough to handle it.
>
> Reader, it is not.
>
> I allowed it to upgrade postfix the other day and discovered that it 
> no longer worked;
> Oct  8 03:15:16 <mail.warn> www postfix/smtp[65148]: warning: 
> unsupported SASL client implementation: cyrus
> Oct  8 03:15:16 <mail.crit> www postfix/smtp[65148]: fatal: SASL 
> library initialization
> Oct  8 03:15:17 <mail.warn> www postfix/master[1157]: warning: process 
> /usr/local/libexec/postfix/smtp pid 65148 exit status 1
> Oct  8 03:15:17 <mail.warn> www postfix/master[1157]: warning: 
> /usr/local/libexec/postfix/smtp: bad command startup -- throttling
>
> I went to the port directory and did a deinstall/reinstall and all is 
> well. Postfix flush cleared out the test emails I had queued up and no 
> errors in maillog. No changes to teh configuration files, it just 
> worked properly after a proper install.
>
> I can obviously issue pkg lock against postfix to ensure it's left 
> alone but I have to wonder how many other ports are similarly not 
> ready for prime time after pkg gets involved? One of the reasons I 
> tried freebsd, all the way back to release 4.11, is that rpm in the 
> linux world was a massive pile of inconsistency. The ports system was 
> so coherent and well managed: I preferred the cathedral to the bazaar, 
> as a book of the period described that time.
>
> I suppose not trusting pkg with ports you rely on seems reasonable but 
> with dependencies and whatnot, how to decide? Should pkg include some 
> more robust testing to ensure services are actually running after 
> upgrade? I don't know if it could but I suppose the maintainer could 
> devise some tests, looking at logfiles or whatnot.
>
> All in all, not how I expected to spend a half hour on Saturday 
> morning. How do other people manage this?
>
>
>
> --
> Paul Beard / www.paulbeard.org/ <http://www.paulbeard.org/>


Which version of FreeBSD, exactly?

Packages from latest, or quarterly?

freebsd-version -kru ; uname -aKU

pkg -vv | grep -e url -e enabled -e priority