Re: PKGBASE Removes FreeBSD Base System Feature

On 31 Jul 2025, at 02:57, Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> wrote:
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> I would also like to separate it. Use one command to update (upgrade) 3rd party packages and another to update (upgrade) base packages. It is our workflow for the last 25+ years thus running one command to update both is really unexpected and unwanted.

I disagree here.  If you *want* to separate them, then you can: you can specify the repository that you want to upgrade explicitly.  But if you do then you risk things like:

 - I’ve upgraded my base system, but not my ports-kmods things, so now my GUI doesn’t start.
 - I’ve upgraded ports, but the ports tree is built on a newer point release and I need to upgrade to make some symbols exist.
 - I’ve upgraded the base system and now some kmods from ports don’t work.

All of these are things that users have complained about publicly in the last year or so.  

I have avoided them by always doing `freebsd-update install && pkg upgrade` and keeping that in my shell history[1] so I don’t accidentally forget to upgrade both together.

Given a choice between a thing that works for users, or something that *can* work for users but comes with a bunch of footguns that they need to avoid, I’d pick the former.

David

[1] I’ve noticed on fresh installs, the default shell no longer has working persistent history, which is a *big* POLA violation, if people want to complain about something.