From nobody Sat Jun 05 23:11:06 2021 X-Original-To: net@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82618950E53 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2021 23:11:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FyFk23440z4dD7 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2021 23:11:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:1d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 507CC1903B for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2021 23:11:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.5]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 155NB6Xd054195 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2021 23:11:06 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: (from www@localhost) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 155NB6Ge054194 for net@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 5 Jun 2021 23:11:06 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) X-Authentication-Warning: kenobi.freebsd.org: www set sender to bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org using -f From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: net@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Bug 256393] Issue with recreation of ppp/tun interfaces Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2021 23:11:06 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: CC X-Bugzilla-Type: changed X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Base System X-Bugzilla-Component: kern X-Bugzilla-Version: 13.0-STABLE X-Bugzilla-Keywords: needs-qa, regression X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Some People X-Bugzilla-Who: rgrimes@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Status: Open X-Bugzilla-Resolution: X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: melifaro@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Flags: mfc-stable13? mfc-stable12- mfc-stable11- X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated List-Id: Networking and TCP/IP with FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-net@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D256393 --- Comment #26 from Rodney W. Grimes --- (In reply to Eugene Grosbein from comment #25) > Also, I do not understand how a router can deal without delivering traffi= c locally for its local IPs in many cases like running squid proxy or web/s= mtp server or even routinely running ping to check if distinct uplink is st= ill alive. You seem to not understand that traffic works just FINE without the loopback route, packets sent locally to the local ip address of an interface are delivered without any issue, the different is that the MTU used for the pac= kets well be the MTU of the ethernet/ppp/slip/whatever interface rather than the= MTU of the loopback device. Further in your specific case of a ping check... that is near worthless to a lo0 route as it can't tell when the carrier has dropped on an interface, and infact this is one of the reasons I absolutely HATE this loopback route by = the kernel code and have ripped it out of my systems. I think somehow you think that IP does not work correctly without the loopb= ack routes, that is a not the case. I repeat, all the interface loopback routes are not needed, the system functions fine without them. all be it with a 10x packet count due to MTU delta for lo0 vs an ethernet. --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.=