Re: Do we use -fno-omit-frame-pointers by accident?

Exactly!

On Thu, Jun 18, 2026 at 6:50 PM Martin Cracauer <cracauer@cons.org> wrote:

> Joe Schaefer wrote on Thu, Jun 18, 2026 at 06:46:15PM -0400:
> > Do you like it when dtrace generates symbolized stack traces? Then you
> want
> > this flag.
>
> To clarify, I want frame pointers.
>
> Martin
>
> > On Thu, Jun 18, 2026 at 4:54???PM Martin Cracauer <cracauer@cons.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I was about to propose on BSDCan to turn on -fno-omit-frame-pointer
> > > for the base system userland and most ports.[*]
> > >
> > > So I went benchmarking the performance impact.
> > >
> > > I discovered that CFLAGS+=-fno-omit-frame-pointer changes nothing
> > > about our binaries and shared libraries.  CFLAGS+=-fomit-frame-pointer
> > > makes them a little smaller.  So it looks like we default to having
> > > frame pointers... somehow.  I verified in the compiler stdout that the
> > > flags I set are in fact in effect.
> > >
> > > Sizes for 16-current 283959bbe0863917c4fc3200a92d1055a4c89bdc /bin/sh:
> > >
> > >    text    data     bss     dec     hex filename
> > > - default:
> > >  164503    3712    5520  173735   2a6a7
> > > - -fomit-frame-pointer
> > >  163831    3712    6192  173735   2a6a7
> > > - -fno-omit-frame-pointer
> > >  164503    3712    5520  173735   2a6a7
> > >
> > >
> > > [*] The reason why I bring this up now is that Ubuntu is doing the
> > > work for use of determining which pieces of software have actually too
> > > high overhead with FPs.  Such as the CPython interpreter.  Depending
> > > on further benchmarking the base userland this changes the
> > > effort/benefit balance.
> > >
> > > More words here:
> > >
> > >
> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/17AGf6a0IxIzqcgd4-5FWdQhLzBV9DfLEhNTm-xL0vyc/edit?usp=sharing
> > >
> > > Martin
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> > >
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