From nobody Thu Jan 23 09:06:03 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Ydw9h2XJrz5lsR1 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2025 09:09:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-hackers@phoe.frmug.org) Received: from frmug.org (enterprise.frmug.org [213.36.253.97]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Ydw9g4zlWz3mrj for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2025 09:09:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-hackers@phoe.frmug.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by frmug.org (Postfix, from userid 66) id 675C412B18E; Thu, 23 Jan 2025 10:09:03 +0100 (CET) Received: by memo2.memo.frmug.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id F167C17A43; Thu, 23 Jan 2025 10:06:03 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2025 10:06:03 +0100 From: Bertrand Petit To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: Daniel Lovasko , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: wg ifconfing control Message-ID: <20250123090603.GC1358@memo2.memo.frmug.org> References: <202501230824.50N8O8hx008288@critter.freebsd.dk> List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <202501230824.50N8O8hx008288@critter.freebsd.dk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.1 (2019-06-15) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Ydw9g4zlWz3mrj X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12322, ipnet:213.36.0.0/16, country:FR] On Thu, Jan 23, 2025 at 08:24:08AM +0000, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > Isn't that program already horrible and complex enough, in terms > of source code, manual page and command line options ? And buggy, see [1]. Reported Oct. 2021 and still present. I'm not against ifconfig per se, I even like the interface it exposes to the user, a unified interface. Having dozens of commands, each configuring a protocol or even parts of a protocol, each with its own command line paradigm and idiosyncrasies is daunting and taxing on human memory. I like ifconfig however, its source code is a mess---a mess similar to what a cat makes when playing with balls of knitting yarn. [1] -- %!PS -- Bertrand Petit /D{def}def/E{exch}D/G{get}D/I{2 div}D/U{dup}D/L{roll}D/Y{setgray}D/N{newpath}D /O{N 0 0 moveto}D/P{pop}D/T{translate}D currentpagedevice/PageSize G U 0 G/w E D 1 G /h E D w I h I T 0 Y 1 setlinewidth 0 1 2 { P 120 rotate 2 4 w U mul h U mul add sqrt I 50 add {N 50 0 3 2 L 0 360 arc stroke}for}for/s{O true charpath pathbbox exch 4 -1 L E sub I 3 1 L sub I} D /l(bp)D 0.94 Y /Helvetica findfont 22 scalefont setfont l s P(x)s exch P T O l show showpage