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To: Lionel Cons Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4YyH6Y4V7gz3mFh X-Spamd-Bar: ---- On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 4:14=E2=80=AFPM Lionel Cons wrote: > > On Mon, 20 Jan 2025 at 13:15, Lionel Cons wrot= e: > > > > On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 at 16:50, Rick Macklem wro= te: > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 12, 2025 at 2:09=E2=80=AFAM Cedric Blancher > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Good morning! > > > > > > > > Does FreeBSD NFSv4.1 nfsd support named attributes (e.g. OPENATTR), > > > > per https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc5661#section-5.3 > > > > > > > > ZFS and Solaris UFS support named attributes (via O_XATTR), does > > > > FreeBSD do it too? > > > No. fork files/resource forks (or whatever you choose to call them) > > > have been discussed multiple times. > > > > > > If I recall correctly, one showstopper was fixing the archive tools. > > > There was also the generic argument that Linux doesn't support them. > > > Then there was the issue of what VFS/VOP changes were required. > > > (The FreeBSD VFS carries vnode locks across VOP calls and is at > > > what I would call a lower level than Solaris.) > > > --> Which all comes down to who will do the work? > > > > > > If I recall correctly, there was a time when a group associated with > > > CERN needed them to transition away from Solaris. > > > > That was my team, and there is still the need to do it. What keeps us > > FRUSTRATED is the lack of progress. Well, and "no", we cannot do it > > ourselves, this is well beyond the expertise my team has. > > Does anyone have any suggestions on how to proceed? Maybe another post without "NFS" in the subject line, since some/many may not recognize that the topic is "fork files or resource forks or whatever term applies to the local file system case". Maybe with ZFS in the subject line. I also suspect that freebsd-current@ might get to more developers. Having said the above, I am doubtful that many will show an interest, rick > > Lionel >