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To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.996]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36:c]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20230601]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::535:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4YyH1p6fkFz3hkP X-Spamd-Bar: -- On Mon, 20 Jan 2025 at 13:15, Lionel Cons wrote: > > On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 at 16:50, Rick Macklem wrote= : > > > > On Sun, Jan 12, 2025 at 2:09=E2=80=AFAM Cedric Blancher > > wrote: > > > > > > Good morning! > > > > > > Does FreeBSD NFSv4.1 nfsd support named attributes (e.g. OPENATTR), > > > per https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc5661#section-5.3 > > > > > > ZFS and Solaris UFS support named attributes (via O_XATTR), does > > > FreeBSD do it too? > > No. fork files/resource forks (or whatever you choose to call them) > > have been discussed multiple times. > > > > If I recall correctly, one showstopper was fixing the archive tools. > > There was also the generic argument that Linux doesn't support them. > > Then there was the issue of what VFS/VOP changes were required. > > (The FreeBSD VFS carries vnode locks across VOP calls and is at > > what I would call a lower level than Solaris.) > > --> Which all comes down to who will do the work? > > > > If I recall correctly, there was a time when a group associated with > > CERN needed them to transition away from Solaris. > > That was my team, and there is still the need to do it. What keeps us > FRUSTRATED is the lack of progress. Well, and "no", we cannot do it > ourselves, this is well beyond the expertise my team has. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to proceed? Lionel