Re: CBOR (Was: My experiences with Rust)

On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 14:19:23 +0300
Sulev-Madis Silber <freebsd-hackers-freebsd-org952@ketas.si.pri.ee> wrote:

> On August 26, 2025 11:57:14 AM GMT+03:00, Vadim Goncharov
> <vadimnuclight@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 05:09:46 +0300
> >Sulev-Madis Silber <freebsd-hackers-freebsd-org952@ketas.si.pri.ee> wrote:
> >  
> >> when i finger the old sw and hw, same patterns appear. things could use
> >> binary. things could be secured with deprecated methods. both will lead to
> >> loss of access. your conversion program could get lost. what if in future,
> >> my current favorite, json is also outdated and in same position of xml.
> >> but those things you could at least read and parse with your own eyes.
> >> sure, at some point the efficiency will maybe lead to binary formats but
> >> this is at loss of use in future. i bet if we still have people messing
> >> with data in future, i can already hear them yelling who was that asshole
> >> that created all this. since it's usage loss, it's even easy to forget it
> >> was for some greater good. even compression algorithms fail. ever had
> >> that feeling, phew, at least this thing uses *TEXT*. i can read it with
> >> standard tools? even if the output sucks balls. at least it's
> >> understandable. unsure if this justifies text only outputs but be
> >> prepared that somebody either discards or just curses a lot on your
> >> binary formats as much as you and i do now. the problem is in extra tools
> >> you need to invent to read all. yeah one could argue that maybe even
> >> ascii text is special binary format, we just still have tools to "get"
> >> it. but that thing has at least lasted for so long. along with c
> >> programming language and so on. why did they last? nothing really bad
> >> lasts. so maybe it was good? maybe people found it understandable? i have
> >> no idea how future will be. but some of those things are older than me
> >> and i can still understand them. why? it's all plain text!!! that one we
> >> view as bad and inefficient and what not. it all doesn't matter if you
> >> can't parse it  
> >
> >Your wall of something looking like ASCII text is completely unreadable.
> >Could you rewrite it into something more understandable / structured?
> >  
> 
> well, no, actually. i often look at paragraphs in others and don't know how
> they split them. i never knew. but i bet you can still parse it with some
> tools. i bet you could maybe find similar docs too somewhere. where noone
> else overlooked it. but it's still better than binary? if it were something
> machine readable. unsure, maybe "| tr '[:punct:]' '\n'"? i don't have honest
> idea how to write. i recall school didn't teach the formatting stuff either
> or i wasn't able to get. in either way, i don't know

Спасибо за отличный наглядный пример. Мнение человека (о *форматах*), не
потрудившегося даже как следует отформатировать свой текст (то есть не
уважающего читателей), не заслуживает рассмотрения (а если не могущего, то
это означает некомпетентность в вопросах программирования/форматов).

-- 
Yeah, you too can read this text with some tool.