From nobody Thu Sep 12 03:31:40 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4X42zr70Mcz5WVTR for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2024 03:31:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vk1-xa35.google.com (mail-vk1-xa35.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::a35]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "WR4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4X42zr4Kspz3y5L; Thu, 12 Sep 2024 03:31:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-vk1-xa35.google.com with SMTP id 71dfb90a1353d-50108b373d2so168102e0c.2; Wed, 11 Sep 2024 20:31:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1726111911; x=1726716711; darn=freebsd.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=iMJeSSuCU5Kcd/gigDzTxduKcK22QcWss3OJkj/nFig=; b=SitCFhzt3eocSPDxDI6B4MAlf/InPRfYpeQ2wcVZVEbMykYdYHjR97pvM2dZ/H3a16 8ZyOL3ZQDvkyKaurIxO6W6ywdY1+EC+JIykT0J+92dd4Brqu/ftRVEa1ed9Y6eRhHTKM TaVMtQzp7uxZgC2JCRXAurDTHwajosqC3Ei1H5jHHUY6hlh8ydXfZYCVUX5rwLTUyrAP 0Lafeckz8Zbx4EuSxqZjuP6hvsbqyAK7IAzxfPrujmCOBC/W2AIdirTxbjWvQDZLE6pp 5H+C9eJgyuU1gkARCXpD3/VRsE9jxhhjILuBdudYUak5xGD4uqamZtxuIy3voI82kRxI RTSw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1726111911; x=1726716711; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=iMJeSSuCU5Kcd/gigDzTxduKcK22QcWss3OJkj/nFig=; b=e06icuIJgBaxc7P8NDCeAexpeDdK+LzKcDFL2hMVZWZCMbLLRRNwKhiectwKNDAlVU GKO08Q7iF1Jnx7p5f3/4beIiGLTQ8kWRJMA6NRuApKlZEBDme/jj6NRp9GOz6wqYbRan k8tWrDQWxv7RUetyQa6RgQjlTID+/TipYyWaoKjMII6mTzbUt5w19toA/iakNctaD6L7 STGJoMewxjJr0uNcYpTOyuJi0tBxd71u5ecv3rw9n3A8Cz+W1+2Jb9G7iYJjVPUHM7eV n8gQtLS1A9qq4Pg2nJByFjFDXKYMBkQnttCsSEHurI2F4OMvkwaMxYKzndDXsOIIb/Lp ILsA== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCV3zFS4vVBmZ1U2B/06OJVFifht44XiaX4bmti3gK4wOS+7PZYmot2QkDQqco/sN4I43yXm321E7NudGrpdxII=@freebsd.org X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwN4T5XlWVp2XMSoJLE7EkUYbtGp0Hz5YovaDrpEiQTTmTl/iTF CE8+Pby0eYAARYR9D/mqQt0rKiocE5+2tuWKNwO9oY/SML/j+8cDVR626Q/3IfPj5XVFn7qGrtZ CcFONx1PTKNiDXOnexrXVbyc5BEQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEiwy5T1PD4A453KT5LQKZXl3LB8jBbt4yBm3BCMCWeMldbX51thZaRewoAXW+hNm1t5w1alJNduH4JTy2z6S8= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6122:1306:b0:4ed:26:790a with SMTP id 71dfb90a1353d-5032d40b436mr1543369e0c.4.1726111911232; Wed, 11 Sep 2024 20:31:51 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2024 23:31:40 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Some rather stupid questions about Rust and FreeBSD To: "B. E." Cc: Alan Somers , FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4X42zr4Kspz3y5L On Wed, Sep 11, 2024 at 10:45=E2=80=AFPM B. E. wrote: >> I've noticed that the most vociferous opposition to using Rust in >> FreeBSD comes from users like yourself: casual users who do little to >> no development of FreeBSD. If you aren't a developer, then what are >> you afraid of? Longer compile times when updating your desktop from >> src? If Shawn Webb's project works out, then you won't have to worry >> about that. A larger .iso for installation? Even the smallest thumb >> drives are now larger than our dvd image. Please explain to me: what >> negative impact do you foresee for yourself? > > > This ^ I am starting to be sorry I ever decided to ask such "stupid questions". But to dismiss any and all critics as not being developers and thus don't count, to be incredibly arrogant (something I would have done a few decades ago). It is often best to assume absolutely nothing about the person's skills until proven otherwise. I get the feeling I didn't get a similar answer is I showed beyond all doubt your claims about my background were unfounded. -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org