From nobody Tue Sep 10 17:07:23 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4X39Bk36Swz5WDPC for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2024 17:08:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from mailgate.Leidinger.net (mailgate.leidinger.net [IPv6:2a00:1828:2000:313::1:5]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature ECDSA (P-256) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mailgate.leidinger.net", Issuer "E5" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4X39Bk05M3z466Q for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2024 17:08:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=leidinger.net; s=outgoing-alex; t=1725988091; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=UsdBMQL+CBasyJjWau8ZofgknC2381O1JMo9UIwXQAs=; b=0rJo/NzTFaim/KS0busRWWuFRapeOumLKFvd2Yd4lJtCyx/zJyDDyFHkxiPsbKv1WXhLlR INB2KAKJUnJjFcf6mnnWlKInygN5AY8Mi0tNvQVrrn/KHx/gyv2tZJeX+rSmoZeJ3KsiRS K26lO/9a8GuAHBgfJ7NakwCLd4vjzc3X0S6NUW2ATa/SGxrSSUh2gGNtpTqSXrpf7XoSZo 8mdBlQ484kHfDzT+oWgwucF8e7UrsaTI+OP91Qp5Dzma5ahun/0nvWG/nQmIBOw8eXPEyP vOIldqPIA9JinkS+ljxcfB+Lpuo3F+COJr0zxZEO+WVcYemrDEAlYtJgfRvpGg== Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2024 19:07:23 +0200 From: Alexander Leidinger To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: It's not Rust, it's FreeBSD (and LLVM) In-Reply-To: <202409100805.48A85rho091525@critter.freebsd.dk> References: <202409031532.483FW0If007252@critter.freebsd.dk> <908e7c45fbcea4634427b8d065bb2f20@Leidinger.net> <202409081302.488D2UvB069580@critter.freebsd.dk> <1aa702e57e63f927b687212820e97f8c@Leidinger.net> <202409100630.48A6UEvY090552@critter.freebsd.dk> <191dae269c8.2805.fa4b1493b064008fe79f0f905b8e5741@Leidinger.net> <202409100805.48A85rho091525@critter.freebsd.dk> Message-ID: <5bd1352cab2bfd2e0e3b4f88e76036f0@Leidinger.net> Organization: No organization, this is a private message. Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=_583bc33717d972fa67ab4b409d782917"; micalg=pgp-sha256 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34240, ipnet:2a00:1828::/32, country:DE] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4X39Bk05M3z466Q This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --=_583bc33717d972fa67ab4b409d782917 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Am 2024-09-10 10:05, schrieb Poul-Henning Kamp: > -------- > Alexander Leidinger writes: > >> It was a serious question. As you say "no", I fail to understand what >> you >> propose. Please explain it in more detail, our cognitive picture of >> what is >> meant by your proposal does not seem to match. Or my picture of a >> Linux >> distro is not similar to what your picture of a Linux distro looks >> like. > > Linux is only a kernel, and that finnish dude does not care a hoot > what executable PID=1 might or might not be or do. And a Linux _distro_ is a kernel /and/ a filesystem full of programs, scripts and other files, which cosplays as a complete, high quality (depending on who you ask) and usable, UNIX system[1], on which you can run the programs you want/need/care for. I might add, that a linux distro is also a set of packages which form the above. And by telling FreeBSD is ports you gave me the impression, that you want to say that we should move away from src is base and to move to "a set of packages handled by the ports collection". I also understand it to blur the lines between pkgbase and packages from ports and make it possible to install parts of the basesystem from ports... which to me looks like what I just described in this paragraph as a linux distro. > FreeBSD is a kernel /and/ a filesystem full of programs, scripts > and other files, which cosplays as a complete, high quality and > usable, UNIX system[1], on which you can run the programs you > want/need/care for. > > Poul-Henning > > [1] Because somebody somewhere still defends the trademark. 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